* Randy Cosby wrote, On 6/4/2008 12:36 PM: > Thanks for the clarification on the cards. Any hints on getting someone > at UBNT to talk to you? My emails, private forum messages, etc. have > been ignored. I understand they are completely buried with NS2 / NS5 > demand, but come on... :) > As far as I know, 3650 requires a contention based protocol not just a modular part's FCCID to use it.
Leon > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I've been in contact with UBNT for some time. The modular approval >> specifies the antenna to be used, and it is, according to both the FCC ( >> email from the FCC in response to an inquiry ) and UBNT entirely legal to >> use with any OS that properly operates the card. >> >> So, yes you can grow your own, and if nothing else, you simply use the FCC >> ID on the card itself as your FCC ID... If you wish to have your own >> number on the box, you must apply to the FCC for your own number, and simply >> cite the "this is unchanged from XXXXXX " in your applicaiton. >> >> All stated clearly and unambiguously by the FCC personell. >> >> I hope this puts this argument to bed. Modular approval is just that. >> The module, ON ITS OWN, is approved and can be put in anything appropriate. >> Again, stated clearly by the FCC. >> >> BTW, on your license, you're required to put the ID of the equipment you're >> putting in place. In this case, it's the FCC ID for UBNT. >> >> BTW, current XR3's out now are not ACTUALLY the right card. I've been >> promised a pair from the first stickered and channelized batch. I would >> not deploy anything being sold by retailers right now, as they are pretty >> much engineering mules... Not optimized and not properly channel filtered >> and limited. >> >> >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> <insert witty tagline here> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 XR3 locations (was: Rapid Link Launches WiMax) >> >> >> >> >>> I had a feeling this would unleash a can of worms. >>> >>> I'm the one who registered the locations. My first location (my office >>> rooftop) was done purely as an academic exercise to see what exactly was >>> required. I had hoped the FCC would come back and say, "you need to do >>> X Y and Z before this is acceptable." I would have been fine with that >>> and taken that into consideration in my feasibility study. They did not. >>> >>> Since then, there has been some further digging to clarify some >>> questions that were brought up by this approval. From what I >>> understand, using the XR3, MT and an 18dbi antenna (or smaller) is >>> approved as far as Part 90 goes. See >>> http://forum.ubnt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1451&start=14 for >>> clarification. >>> >>> Now, if you were to go out and SELL that bundle as a product, I would >>> think there would need to be further licensing >>> (http://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/ ) to be approved. Hana Wireless ( >>> http://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/HW3.pdf ) is selling pretty >>> much the same kit I made myself, but I do NOT see any OET approvals for >>> them. I hear other WISPS are using the Hana units, but I see nothing >>> of the sort registered in ULS, so I would think they are not legal. >>> >>> If I use any of these, they will be for PTP links. Because the XR3 was >>> only approved for 18dBi antennas, and has a max output of 25dbm (see >>> *http://tinyurl.com/4jpndg *, >>> http://ubnt.com/downloads/ubi_mtik_power.pdf ) and assuming .5 dB loss >>> for the jumper cable, at slow speeds we're only going to get a 42.5 dBm >>> or 17.8 watts, not the full 20 watts allowed under the rules in a 20 mhz >>> channel. If you want to run at full 54 mbps, you will only get 18 >>> dBm on the radio, plus 18 on the antenna, or 35.5 dbm, or 3.5 watts. >>> Not the ideal PTP solution. >>> >>> So is it moral or legal to run it? I'm glad this has stirred some >>> debate and further clarifications. I'd like to see 802.11Y moved along >>> and put into MT and the cards, that would help open up lots of other >>> non-wimax possibilities. For now, it is what it is. I've seen nothing >>> to indicate it is illegal. Is it unwise? >>> >>> I honestly am interested in hearing verifiable refutations to anything >>> I've found so far. I want to do what is legal, as well as wise. >>> >>> Randy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE wrote: >>> >>> >>>> George...you can not plug-n-play components as I said earlier. It has to >>>> be certified as a system that makes use of a contention based protocol. >>>> >>>> Leon >>>> >>>> * George Rogato wrote, On 6/4/2008 11:22 AM: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks for explaining that Travis. >>>>> I asked Jack Unger to look into this recently. >>>>> There was a post somewhere else recently about 3650 use and I forwarded >>>>> it to Jack to find out from the FCC if in fact it is the way the post >>>>> read. >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to hear Jack's opinion based on what he has found out from the >>>>> FCC. >>>>> >>>>> As far as using those cards, if they work in mt and star, then for most >>>>> of us it's just add another card to the multi port board and go. It >>>>> sounds a lot cheaper than I had expected. >>>>> >>>>> George >>>>> >>>>> Travis Johnson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> John, >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is what I have heard or read so far: >>>>>> >>>>>> (1) I "heard" that 3650 users that are conflicting will have to "work >>>>>> it >>>>>> out" and that "more than likely" the FCC would not get involved in a >>>>>> frequency conflict. >>>>>> >>>>>> (2) Getting a license for 3650 takes about 2 hours, start to finish >>>>>> (from what I have heard from people that have done it). Meaning any >>>>>> person with Internet access can have a valid, FCC license in 2 hours. >>>>>> >>>>>> (3) The FCC has already approved someone using just the Ubiquiti XR3 >>>>>> card as the registered "base station". Putting that card in a MT system >>>>>> does not broadcast any call signs or info in the packet frame, yet you >>>>>> are "licensed" and "FCC legal" as per the registration. >>>>>> >>>>>> (4) If it truly is a "first registered, everyone else work around me" >>>>>> then I will be registering every single tower within a 1,000 mile >>>>>> radius >>>>>> from my NOC. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not trying bash you or anything you said... I'm just thinking the >>>>>> 3650 band is going to get just as messy as the 5ghz band within a few >>>>>> years... and I think the FCC has given "false hope" that it is somewhat >>>>>> protected... yet I don't see how. >>>>>> >>>>>> Travis >>>>>> Microserv >>>>>> >>>>>> John Scrivner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is how it is different than 5 GHz. In 5 GHz the rules are that >>>>>>> you have >>>>>>> to accept interference. Also any equipment on earth can use the band >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> mobile phones to cameras and of course broadband devices of many >>>>>>> types. >>>>>>> There is little involved in dropping your link. Also there is little >>>>>>> chance >>>>>>> of you knowing what the interfering source is without some leg work. >>>>>>> In 3650 >>>>>>> only people who get a license can launch. Base stations must be >>>>>>> certified >>>>>>> systems with the FCC and must be registered with the FCC. The rules >>>>>>> state >>>>>>> that it is a requirement that anyone using the band must work to >>>>>>> eliminate >>>>>>> interference with other users. That means if you are there first and >>>>>>> someone >>>>>>> interferes with you then they broke the law and it is their duty to >>>>>>> fix it. >>>>>>> Also, since everyone must register base stations, you will know who is >>>>>>> interfering. In the case of WiMAX base stations, the call letters of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> license holder are actually transmitted in the data frames which show >>>>>>> up as >>>>>>> the intefering carrier within the monitoring tools in the base >>>>>>> stations >>>>>>> themselves. I think there is a great opportunity in this band and I am >>>>>>> proud >>>>>>> to say I just got my license in 3650 last week. I am looking to build >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> first WiMAX base station very soon. >>>>>>> Scriv >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, how exactly does 3.65ghz licensing work? If Rapid Link has >>>>>>>> licensed >>>>>>>> a base station at tower X, and I want to license 3.65ghz at tower X >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> well, what happens? Also, what if I want to license at Tower Y that >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> 100 feet away? 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