The term to better describe the people who are feared is the term "RBOC", not the "ILEC". I consider you and other smaller ILECs who are WISPs to be sharing many common concerns with the rest of us. I try to draw attention to the fact that RBOCs are generally the ones who are using the bully tactics to overpower all the smaller interests in broadband. I think it is a good idea for us to remember this when we are making generalizations about the telco giants out there who could squash our interests easily. I am certain nobody was intentionally referring to you or your ILEC Chuck. Scriv
On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Chuck McCown - 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hold on there. I am an incumbent as in the "I" in ILEC. I have fiber > directly to Level 3, XO and the option of hitting all the rest. If there is > such a thing as "the pipe" I wish someone would point it out to me. We > don't control anything. If you are a wholesale customer, you are > essentially directly connected to those two upstream providers. Who are > these incumbents and where is that pipe? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:42 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > > >> Sadly, I have to agree. The incumbents want to own the "pipe" so that >> they can control what goes over it and milk as much profit as possible >> from their "pipe". Supposedly it's done to "benefit" the stockholder but >> everyone else will be getting screwed. That's the way business is done >> in this day and age. They can't take over the "pipe" all at once because >> people would howl bloody murder so they take it away a little bit at a >> time so people don't catch on until it's too late. For more perspective, >> one might want to read about "How to boil a frog". >> <http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp> >> >> jack >> >> >> Tom DeReggi wrote: >>> It can and will happen. There have been plans to take over/Hijack the >>> Internet since day 1. Microsoft being one of the early entities that >>> tried >>> and failed to accomplish it, by purposely modifying standard protocols >>> with >>> microsoft standards to be integrated into the TCP Stack. Its happens >>> already >>> with Smart cell phone. Are developers really that stupid that that its >>> taken >>> them 10 years to get a cell ohone that will work on TCPIP, when instead >>> they >>> try to sell proprietary portals to controlled content. Look who is >>> buying >>> up the INternet? Cable companies! Same with Whitespaces, The Broadcasters >>> are proposing to keep the spectrum, so they can be the next Wireless >>> provider. BUyers with years of history with the mentality charging for >>> content, and packaging content based on the the most profitable offer. >>> >>> The only way to stop it is to enable competition. And the only way to >>> keep >>> it enabled is to subsidize it, to make sure it stays. >>> >>> Sure they can block all sites. They can steal your Email customers in >>> about >>> 2 weeks if they want to. All they have to do is block your domain, >>> pretending you are a spammer, and refuse to unblock you, and in two weeks >>> your Email customers will be gone. They can do the same with your web >>> content. Who ever has the majorit market share of customer sites with >>> limited options, will be in control. >>> >>> Anti-Trust protection is the failure of the regulators. Bundling will >>> kill >>> everyone else. Verizon is doing it now... Get a discount on your home >>> broadband, if you buy their cell phone service. >>> If Verizon has your cell phone business, they will get your broadband. >>> AT&T >>> had followed sute, or vice versa. Are you a cell phone provider? Will you >>> be >>> able to compete? Why do you think Comcast was interested in investing in >>> Clearwire? Comcast isn't a cell phone carrier yet. They are at a >>> disadvantage. Verizon used to be at a disadvantage because they didn't >>> offer TV. >>> >>> As long as legislators do not distinguish the difference between >>> different >>> communication services/providers, and allows cross platform bundling, >>> Independant providers will die, Not only the Free Internet. Everyone >>> knows >>> the money is in the content, when you control access to what content >>> people >>> can get to. They only want what they know exists, what they are allowed >>> to >>> know is available. The first step to controlling the content, is >>> controlling >>> the pipe, to force the content. >>> >>> And I can tell you for sure, that IPowers message would not have been >>> allowed to air on Verizon Broadband TV. >>> >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Victoria Proffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:29 AM >>> Subject: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>> >>> >>> >>>> Could this ever happen? >>>> http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2 >>>> >>>> Of my almost 17 years as an ISP, I find it hard to believe. >>>> How could the LECs possibly block all the sites? >>>> If this is true, what could we do to stop it? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your thoughts. >>>> >>>> Victoria Proffer >>>> CEO >>>> St. Louis Broadband >>>> Visit us @ >>>> www.StLBroadband.com >>>> 314-974-5600 >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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