Hi, We have been a Postini customer since their first year in business. Once you "outsource" that part of it, you wonder how you ever did it before. Right now it is probably saving us at least 10Mbps of bandwidth, which in our area is over $500 per month. We also charge customers $1 per email per month, and businesses pay per domain. So, we are making money on this service, and we don't have to even touch it most of the time (and we have hundreds of domains, including full school districts, etc.) and thousands of individual users. The other advantage is if your internet backbone goes down (for whatever reason), Postini will automatically "cache" your email so once you are back up, all the email gets delivered. (same if your email server dies, etc.) (Maybe I should become a Postini reseller, eh? :) ) Travis Microserv John Thomas wrote: Travis, because there is an element of control that you lose when you outsource. I have a client that got really upset when an email that was addressed to 3 companies only made it to one employee. Long story short, Frontbridge saw that the email came into their servers, but only one copy went out to 1 of the companies employees. This took *several* hours and 3 different Frontbridge employees to find out. If this client had been using a Barracuda, then there wouldn't have been a problem. Before you start to flame me, I know that you aren't supposed to use email in this manner, i.e. mission critical, time sensitive Purchase orders from Asia to the US, but this client did, and they were furious. Another reason I have a problem is that both Frontbridge and Postini *require* a 3 year commitment, and you may not have to pay up front, but once you sign on, they have you for 3 years. I have a BIG problem with any business that operates like that. In this instance, the cleint is now stuck with Frontbridge for 2 1/2 years, and their attitude when asked about a refund was "tough, you agreed to a 3 year term, and we have your money."John Thomas Travis Johnson wrote:And on another thought... with that much junk mail, why not use a service that blocks the spam BEFORE it uses your bandwidth and resources? Like Postini... or others. Travis Microserv Frank Muto wrote:Just a thought, unless you have a 600 or better unit, you are running 1x10/100 Ethernet on 100-400 units vs. 2xGigabit on to 600-1000 units, IMO creating a bottleneck even with low to moderate user accounts. This is where most of our cross-over sales are from, in the lower model units. With the amount of junk email flying around out there, even active user accounts under 250 are pulling in substantial amounts of junk and direct harvest attacks. Frank Muto www.secureemailplus.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] alternative to BarracudaKurt, What firmware are you running? How many emails are you filtering? Have you done a "hard reboot" on it lately? How many Spam emails are you killing per hour? Per day? (There is a Daily Traffic graph/email that tell you this) I know mine too (Cuda) is sluggish, but it's the amount of incoming spam that is bogging us down. We are getting hammered (and have been for months) by spam in excess of 500,000 per 24 hours. I will agree - Cuda is a PITA and we will begin testing with Jeremy Davis this week. He hosts the backend (web hosting, email, radius, Freeside...etc) for a bunch of other WISPs including SPAM filtering - My fingers are crossed and if you will holler at me off list later this week I will give you a report on how things are going. Mac-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 11:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] alternative to Barracuda Has anyone used this spam firewall? http://www.untangle.com <http://www.untangle.com/> it is free to install on any server. I have a Barracuda SF200 and this thing is making me angry. It is so slow I don't even bother trying to log into it. It times out constantly and is so un-responsive. When it does work it takes a min of 30 seconds to change pages and that's when it is working properly. Its not overloaded I only got <200 email addresses and its rated for 500. I'm looking for anything this Barracuda junk is not worth the $500 year subscription when you can't even log into it. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- WISPA Wants You! 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