Ron, Do you want to present at AnimalFarm this winter? I think this topic would be very interesting for all.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Harden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!! > Yes, we source numbers from Level 3 and others. DID coverage is key to > any > successful digital voice program. There are some small mom-and-pop LECs > that will not give up numbers because they a) don't want any competition, > and b) don't have to. If we cannot get numbers in a particular rate > center > (RC), then we cannot port the number. But as a general rule, if we can > get > numbers, then the vast majority of the time, we can port that number. > This > is why we always ask our customers for targeted locations, based on rate > center, or NPA/NXX, to determine if we can get numbers. In most cases, we > can. Our current DID providers cover greater than 70% of the US. We also > offer DID (and port) in Canada and Puerto Rico. Where we cannot get > numbers, here are the options: > > > > 1. We search for a provider that has numbers, and we are always looking > for more. But they have to be able to connect with us electronically, or > we > move on. Our process is fully automated from the time someone submits an > order, it's untouched by human hands until the fedex label prints and we > ship the ATA (if the service provider chooses to have us drop ship to > their > customers). Most WISPs chose to purchase ATAs in bulk to have the units > on > a truck and close to their market for immediate install. In that case > they > just activate the unit on line. Sometimes numbers are available, but > without an automated process, we cannot make it work. > > > > 2. When DIDs are available to a particular RC, the provider has the > option of providing a number from the nearest location. Many times we can > get numbers from an alternative RC that still represents a local call for > friends and neighbors. But if that fails, providing an alternative number > from another rate center is more difficult to sell. Friends and family on > the same service would of course call each other for free, but that's a > more > difficult marketing challenge. > > > > 3. The PRI route that John mentions has to be carefully considered. We > have gone down this path for a few of our cable customers where they > needed > DIDs at a head end location and the numbers justified their investment. > I'll share with you the facts (to the best of our knowledge) so you can > make > your own decision on this one. AT&T has numbers in about 93-95% of the > country. You could buy a PRI from AT&T and likely pay $700-800 per month. > We would order the PRI for you because we would need to be the > administrative contact to order the DIDs. We would bill you the > pass-through cost of the PRI. You can put about 200 customers on that > PRI, > oversubscribing by a factor of 10, knowing that only a portion of those > customers will be on the phone at the same time. Thus you have to be able > to recover that additional cost of about $4 per sub, once you reach the > 200 > level of customers (more until you get there). Then you need another PRI > of > course. But the inbound call from AT&T will be TDM, which has to be > converted to IP, so you will need to install a router at your location. > We > would recommend a specific CISCO router, which you would have to pay for > and > install, for about $10-12K. You would own the box, but send it to us to > configure it for you. You would be responsible for the install, and of > course the power back up, A/C, and Internet feed. You will likely be > under > water until you reach 100 customers on the PRI, still having to amortize > the > cost of the router. > > > > You are all subject-matter-experts and your expertise is better than mine > on > the technical nuances of what is required, and costs vary by market. If > you > wish to pursue option 3, we will work with you to make it painless (except > for the cost side of the equation). So the PRI route is only undertaken > in > unique circumstances where you are comfortable that the market potential > justifies the investment. > > > > In the past we have owned 3 CLECs and consider ourselves good at porting > numbers. As I said, we can port the vast majority, but only where we can > get numbers assigned. And not every LEC has to sell you their numbers. > > > > Sorry for the long treatise on the issue, but it's complicated as you can > see. I'm not trying to sell you in this case; rather I'm just describing > our experience, our process, and your exposure. For those of you that are > Vox customers, be sure to work with us to determine where numbers are > available before you invest in that market, assuming that digital voice is > an important component for ARPU and payback criteria. I will share with > you > that one of our fastest growing customers is a WISP, and they are > experiencing a 92% take rate on voice with their new broadband customers. > > > > I hope that helps. I trust you will tell me where you disagree with me. > :-) > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:15 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!! > > > > Yes, but you probably require a interconnect with the other carrier in > > order to port the number. More to the point, VOX probably is reselling > > Level3 or whoever that doesn't have an interconnect with the local LEC > > and therefore can't port. > > > > -Matt > > > > On Aug 26, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > > >> I am a rural telecom, one of the most rural in the nation. And I > >> wasn't > >> exempt at all. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:45 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!! > >> > >> > >>> If it is a Rural Telcom, then they are exempt from having to allow > >>> porting. VZ might just have a deal with them for local cell numbers. > >>> If you had a PRI then you can get numbers but still, they do not have > >>> to hand you the number from a leaving customer. At least this is > >>> where > >>> all my research has led me for my local ILEC that I would kill to > >>> port > >>> from. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM, John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> wrote: > >>>> Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work > >>>> around? > >>>> > >>>> Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with > >>>> VoxCorp, so > >>>> they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something > >>>> like > >>>> this.. > >>>> > >>>> Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their > >>>> cellular, > >>>> and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with > >>>> PRIs??? > >>>> > >>>> Somebody have a solution? > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> John M. 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