Hmm, sounds like they have been through this before. I don't think a TPP is the same thing as an interconnect agreement. That is a new term to me (but may be in widespread use, I am probably ignorant of that level of detail).But it sounds like it may be better and simpler than an interconnect agreement. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!!
Is a Trading Partner Profile an Interconnect agreement? The guy from the COOP went on to say this: Mr. Williamson: There are two important parts to my response. I’ll first explain what you should do to request your number being ported. Secondly, I’ll comment on the requirements of the VOIP company. This is general information that applies to porting a landline number. I have not reviewed your personal account. Part 1 · Keep your current number active and in good status. If your current number is disconnected or not paid, you cannot port it until it is restored. · Contact the company that you intend to port to. That company will send a port request to FTC. If all the information they submit to FTC is correct then the port will be completed at the prescribed time on the order. Part 2 · At this time, no VOIP provider in the north Alabama area has provided FTC with a Trading Partner Profile (TPP). The TPP is a document that allows the sharing of necessary information and serves as an unofficial agreement between the companies. The TPP is required before a port can take place. If the company you want to port to sends FTC a TPP, we will process it and then complete the port when submitted. Until an agreement has been reached between the two companies, no port can take place. · Finally, non-geographic porting of numbers is still not allowed at this time by the FCC. If the other company provides service in the Rainsville Rate Center, then the number can be ported legally. If the company provides service in Gadsden, for instance, but not in Rainsville, then the number should not be ported. The VoIP provider should be able to tell you if they actually offer service in Rainsville that is in compliance with Federal Communications Commission and Alabama Public Service Commission rules. I hope this answers your questions. I’ll be glad to try and expand more on this process if you’d like. It can be pretty complicated even for those of us that deal with it on a consistent basis. The only caution I have is to be sure you have all of the available information about the product/service you may be purchasing. We’ve had several customers that have ported numbers to other companies and came back relatively quickly b/c they didn’t get what they thought they were getting. Let me know if you’d like for us to take a look at your account and see if we can also accommodate your specific need as a customer. We appreciate your business. You can call the office and ask for me directly at 256/638-2144, or you may speak to any of our CSRs at the same number. Sincerely, Chris Townson ____________________________________________ On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ron, > Do you want to present at AnimalFarm this winter? > I think this topic would be very interesting for all. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Harden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:56 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!! > > > > Yes, we source numbers from Level 3 and others. DID coverage is key to > > any > > successful digital voice program. There are some small mom-and-pop LECs > > that will not give up numbers because they a) don't want any > > competition, > > and b) don't have to. If we cannot get numbers in a particular rate > > center > > (RC), then we cannot port the number. But as a general rule, if we can > > get > > numbers, then the vast majority of the time, we can port that number. > > This > > is why we always ask our customers for targeted locations, based on rate > > center, or NPA/NXX, to determine if we can get numbers. In most cases, > we > > can. Our current DID providers cover greater than 70% of the US. We > also > > offer DID (and port) in Canada and Puerto Rico. Where we cannot get > > numbers, here are the options: > > > > > > > > 1. We search for a provider that has numbers, and we are always > looking > > for more. But they have to be able to connect with us electronically, > > or > > we > > move on. Our process is fully automated from the time someone submits > > an > > order, it's untouched by human hands until the fedex label prints and we > > ship the ATA (if the service provider chooses to have us drop ship to > > their > > customers). Most WISPs chose to purchase ATAs in bulk to have the units > > on > > a truck and close to their market for immediate install. In that case > > they > > just activate the unit on line. Sometimes numbers are available, but > > without an automated process, we cannot make it work. > > > > > > > > 2. When DIDs are available to a particular RC, the provider has the > > option of providing a number from the nearest location. Many times we > can > > get numbers from an alternative RC that still represents a local call > > for > > friends and neighbors. But if that fails, providing an alternative > number > > from another rate center is more difficult to sell. Friends and family > on > > the same service would of course call each other for free, but that's a > > more > > difficult marketing challenge. > > > > > > > > 3. The PRI route that John mentions has to be carefully considered. > We > > have gone down this path for a few of our cable customers where they > > needed > > DIDs at a head end location and the numbers justified their investment. > > I'll share with you the facts (to the best of our knowledge) so you can > > make > > your own decision on this one. AT&T has numbers in about 93-95% of the > > country. You could buy a PRI from AT&T and likely pay $700-800 per > month. > > We would order the PRI for you because we would need to be the > > administrative contact to order the DIDs. We would bill you the > > pass-through cost of the PRI. You can put about 200 customers on that > > PRI, > > oversubscribing by a factor of 10, knowing that only a portion of those > > customers will be on the phone at the same time. Thus you have to be > able > > to recover that additional cost of about $4 per sub, once you reach the > > 200 > > level of customers (more until you get there). Then you need another > > PRI > > of > > course. But the inbound call from AT&T will be TDM, which has to be > > converted to IP, so you will need to install a router at your location. > > We > > would recommend a specific CISCO router, which you would have to pay for > > and > > install, for about $10-12K. You would own the box, but send it to us to > > configure it for you. You would be responsible for the install, and of > > course the power back up, A/C, and Internet feed. You will likely be > > under > > water until you reach 100 customers on the PRI, still having to amortize > > the > > cost of the router. > > > > > > > > You are all subject-matter-experts and your expertise is better than > > mine > > on > > the technical nuances of what is required, and costs vary by market. If > > you > > wish to pursue option 3, we will work with you to make it painless > (except > > for the cost side of the equation). So the PRI route is only undertaken > > in > > unique circumstances where you are comfortable that the market potential > > justifies the investment. > > > > > > > > In the past we have owned 3 CLECs and consider ourselves good at porting > > numbers. As I said, we can port the vast majority, but only where we > > can > > get numbers assigned. And not every LEC has to sell you their numbers. > > > > > > > > Sorry for the long treatise on the issue, but it's complicated as you > > can > > see. I'm not trying to sell you in this case; rather I'm just > > describing > > our experience, our process, and your exposure. For those of you that > are > > Vox customers, be sure to work with us to determine where numbers are > > available before you invest in that market, assuming that digital voice > is > > an important component for ARPU and payback criteria. I will share with > > you > > that one of our fastest growing customers is a WISP, and they are > > experiencing a 92% take rate on voice with their new broadband > > customers. > > > > > > > > I hope that helps. I trust you will tell me where you disagree with me. > > :-) > > > > > > > > Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:15 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!! > > > > > > > > Yes, but you probably require a interconnect with the other carrier in > > > > order to port the number. More to the point, VOX probably is reselling > > > > Level3 or whoever that doesn't have an interconnect with the local LEC > > > > and therefore can't port. > > > > > > > > -Matt > > > > > > > > On Aug 26, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > > > > > > >> I am a rural telecom, one of the most rural in the nation. And I > > > >> wasn't > > > >> exempt at all. > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Jeromie Reeves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 1:45 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] I want to port their numbers!!!! > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> If it is a Rural Telcom, then they are exempt from having to allow > > > >>> porting. VZ might just have a deal with them for local cell numbers. > > > >>> If you had a PRI then you can get numbers but still, they do not have > > > >>> to hand you the number from a leaving customer. At least this is > > > >>> where > > > >>> all my research has led me for my local ILEC that I would kill to > > > >>> port > > > >>> from. > > > >>> > > > >>> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:26 PM, John McDowell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>>> Local Cooperative Telco will not let us port. What is my work > > > >>>> around? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Order PRI to our tower in their territory? We're working with > > > >>>> VoxCorp, so > > > >>>> they have to be able to grab those numbers even if we do something > > > >>>> like > > > >>>> this.. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Verizon Wireless has local numbers with this company for their > > > >>>> cellular, > > > >>>> and it has to be because they have towers in their territory with > > > >>>> PRIs??? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Somebody have a solution? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> John M. 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