It does not matter either way on my network. Some have a Virtual, others do not.
Bill Gaylord, COO COLI Inc D. Ryan Spott wrote: > All, > > On Mtik APs with this issue, do you have any VirtualAPs turned on? > > ryan > > Scott Piehn wrote: > >> In my personal opinion, no. I have seen it with different models. I >> do know that radio does effect it, R52H is the worst. Don't have any >> XR2's to test with >> >> Scott >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Pierce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:02 AM >> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Updated - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >> >> >> >>> Does the routerboard model really matter ? >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>> From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:40:41 -0500 >>> >>> >>>> I am not seeing issues on RB532/XR2/2.9.50 or RB433/XR2/3.10. >>>> >>>> Mark McElvy >>>> AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of Chris Gotstein >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:30 PM >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Subject: Re: [Tranzeo] Updated - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>> >>>> Has anyone determined if this is specific to a radio card or >>>> routerboard >>>> >>>> model? I'm not seeing this problem running a RB532 and SR2 card. >>>> >>>> Chris Gotstein >>>> Sr Network Engineer >>>> UP Logon/Computer Connection UP >>>> 500 N Stephenson Ave >>>> Iron Mountain, MI 49801 >>>> Phone: 906-774-4847 >>>> Fax: 906-774-0335 >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> Damian Wallace wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, MT says there is nothing wrong with their code, go away. The >>>>> >>>> card >>>> >>>>> must have just reset itself for some unknown reason, and the CPE >>>>> >>>> should >>>> >>>>> just ignore a Zero Time Stamp. Why a card would reset and you would >>>>> >>>> not >>>> >>>>> start a re-association process is beyond me. If a card is reset, you >>>>> reloaded the driver, and you must have done so for a reason. >>>>> >>>>> We apply the logic that if the timer went to zero, the AP reset. Why >>>>> does this matter? The timestamp is used for syncing beacons, power >>>>> control and for signaling a change at the AP. The Spec reads that if >>>>> STA receives a beacon with a later timestamp, then it has to ..." >>>>> >>>> adopt >>>> >>>>> all parameters contained in the Beacon frame, except the Capability >>>>> bits, Supported Rates information element, and Extended Supported >>>>> >>>> Rates >>>> >>>>> information element." >>>>> >>>>> It's not expressly written into the spec to treat Zero as a reset it >>>>> >>>> is >>>> >>>>> true, but otherwise if the card is reset, then the CPE will not apply >>>>> any changes until the timestamp is greater than its own timestamp. >>>>> >>>> It's >>>> >>>>> a 64-bit number, so you could be waiting for a long time. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry guys. You'll have to bug them on this one. Lots of people use >>>>> this same logic since it comes from the Atheros Driver, so it won't be >>>>> just Tranzeo's that drop and (hopefully) come back. >>>>> >>>>> We're going to look into adding a flag to ignore Zero Timestamps, but >>>>> that looks like using a hammer to drive a screw to attach a stick of >>>>> dynamite to a stump because your battery is dead. It's a bad idea to >>>>> >>>> fix >>>> >>>>> a bad idea. It could lead to clients not following the AP if it is >>>>> reset. >>>>> >>>>> Damian >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>> Behalf Of Scott Piehn >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:18 PM >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Tranzeo] Updated - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the update >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Scott >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damian Wallace" >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:04 PM >>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Updated - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> One addendum. In most cases it does reconnect, the lock out loop is >>>>>> much rarer. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Damian Wallace >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 2:43 PM >>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> Subject: [Tranzeo] Updated - Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>> >>>>>> We have seen the problem. It has been reported to MT, and hopefully >>>>>> they can fix it shortly, but we haven't heard from them. To be fair, >>>>>> it's the middle of the night in Latvia right now. >>>>>> >>>>>> The system is randomly sending a zero Timestamp in the beacon. This >>>>>> tells the CPE's that the BaseStation has reset. The CPE then tries >>>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>>>> re-associate. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, the AP didn't in fact reset. So the CPE isn't allowed to >>>>>> >>>>> join >>>>> >>>>>> the AP since it already is associated. >>>>>> >>>>>> We are looking for a hack to ignore this behavior, but all of the >>>>>> approaches we can see will lead to other issues, some which are even >>>>>> uglier! >>>>>> >>>>>> I can't send out any hopeful messages on being able to workaround >>>>>> >>>> this >>>> >>>>>> one unless MT fixes this behavior. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan has kindly posted this same info to the MT forum for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=24971&p=127799#p127799 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Monitor this thread on the MT forum to see if there is an update. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Damian Wallace >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:38 AM >>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>> >>>>>> We now have seen it happen, but haven't captured anything in the air >>>>>> yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> As the QA engineer on it describes it, waiting for a random >>>>>> >>>> disconnect >>>> >>>>>> is like watching water boil, only you don't have the stove turned >>>>>> >>>> on. >>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>>>> Behalf Of Scott Piehn >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 9:22 AM >>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>> >>>>>> Has there been any movement on issue. It was mentioned that Tranzeo >>>>>> was >>>>>> looking for a tower with the problem to install some monitoring >>>>>> equipment. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have multiple MT towers with tranzeo issues. >>>>>> Simultaneous Disconnect of all tranzeo clients >>>>>> Tranzeo client "locks" for 60 seconds. client not able to access >>>>>> Internet, >>>>>> we are not able to get into tranzeo from outside. >>>>>> All Tranzeo on effected towers current firmware. >>>>>> MT running 3.13 or 2.51 - take your pick of tower >>>>>> Tower Radios R52H or CM9 >>>>>> MT RB 500, 333, 433AH >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We are willing to mount whatever is needed. Just ship it to us. We >>>>>> >>>>> are >>>>> >>>>>> in >>>>>> Northwest Illinois >>>>>> >>>>>> Scott >>>>>> 815-291-5381 >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damian Wallace" >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:42 PM >>>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Got some. Can't seem to make it happen. Therefore want to get some >>>>>>> that do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> >>>> On >>>> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Stuart Pierce >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 11:34 PM >>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Damian, then geeesh, buy the boards, we do. They are not that >>>>>>> >>>>>> expensive >>>>>> >>>>>>> for a stock trading company. Obviously Tranzeo wants us to buy >>>>>>> >>>>> Tranzeo >>>>> >>>>>>> AP's and I'm all for that, but they are not cutting the butter, not >>>>>>> >>>>>> even >>>>>> >>>>>>> the horsepower ones. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>>>>> From: "Damian Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:31:31 -0700 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The issue with tools like those is that they don't capture every >>>>>>>> >>>>>> thing, >>>>>> >>>>>>>> just the stuff that the card in them thinks is valid. We have >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> observer >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for example, but it has the same limitation. We have Kismet and >>>>>>>> Wireshark from some users, but what we need is the raw RF, which is >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> hard >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to get in a Chipset. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> >>>> On >>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:25 PM >>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kismet can capture raw wireless frames. Wireshark (aka Ethereal) >>>>>>>> >>>> can >>>> >>>>>>>> do a fair job of processing the capture (there are also plenty of >>>>>>>> commercial tools). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Damian Wallace >>>>>>>> >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What we need is to capture the packets in the air. The best tool >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> for >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> that is the size of a server rack, so it's not exactly portable. >>>>>>>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hoping to pinch an actual system that is doing it and out it in >>>>>>>>> >>>> our >>>> >>>>>>>>> chamber. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Usually, if there is such a thing in wireless, it's a beacon. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> They're >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sending something that could be wrong, or that our software thinks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> is >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrong. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Damian >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 11:43 AM >>>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hmm, well my BIGGEST problem AP just happens to be one that is the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ONLY >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> RB600 in my network, don't know if that has anything to do with it >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> or >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> not. >>>>>>>>> There are times when it drops all the clients every 5 minutes then >>>>>>>>> sometimes >>>>>>>>> it doesn't drop any for 7 hours. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just put a WAR-METRO at this tower running the 3 sectors as the >>>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>>> was getting so bad I was about ready to loose some clients. I may >>>>>>>>> >>>>> do >>>>> >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> testing with a RB433 and see if this problem is specific to the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> RB600. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> easily swap out boards as everything is COAX and radio's are at >>>>>>>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>>>>>>> bottom >>>>>>>>> of the tower. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of Damian Wallace >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 1:05 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Actually, we don't hate Microtik. Some other companies yes, but >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> they >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> are ok. Be better if they offered real support and were legal, >>>>>>>>> >>>> but >>>> >>>>>>>> hey, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> that's a different issue. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This issue pops up from time to time on some Linux AP's. It used >>>>>>>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Star-OS that did this, but they got it fixed a few versions ago >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> after >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> much user demand. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you lose more than one clients at a time, blame the AP. If you >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> lose >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a CPE here and there, then it could be either. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> With MT or Star-OS the best advise is to not mix chipsets. Don't >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> why, if it's a HOSTAP vs. MadWifi in the same device issue or >>>>>>>>> >>>> what, >>>> >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> mixing chipsets has created issues for users. Our Prism based >>>>>>>>> >>>>> stuff >>>>> >>>>>>>>> talks fine to our Atheros stuff and vice versa, as does a number >>>>>>>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>>>>>>> companies, but they all support one or the other chipset only in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> device. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If someone can give us a combination of RouterBoard, MT version, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> Card >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and client that can create the issue we can put it in the lab and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> see >>>>>> >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> there is comething in the air we see and workaround, like we had >>>>>>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for the Smartbridges. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:10 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lets face it, these two companies hate each other they are not >>>>>>>>> >>>>> going >>>>> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> fix this problem. I just got back from a tower trying to swap out >>>>>>>>> atheros radio's for PRISM radio's on the AP side just to get me by >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> here >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and let me tell you that was a BIG mistake. If and that's a HUGE >>>>>>>>> >>>> IF >>>> >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> even get the prism radio's to work in a Mikrotik V3 board the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> throughput >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> is CRAP. I didn't see anything over 1200k and that was with my >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> laptop >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> right by the AP. >>>>>>>>> Swapped back for Atheros and throughput went back up to 4500k. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Only thing that accomplished was a couple hundread pissed off >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> customers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for about 2 hours. I am at wits end on this issue and I am out of >>>>>>>>> options. I will be bald before this ever gets resolved. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>> WAVELINC >>>>>>>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>>>>>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>>>>>>> 419-562-6405 >>>>>>>>> www.wavelinc.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> On >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:25 PM >>>>>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Tranzeo] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does anyone have a Tranzeo or a Mikrotik ticket number I can >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> reference >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> when I open a ticket? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Travis? 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