I've been through the Lee, IL site now owned by Terry Michaels. Nice place. I haven't been there in a few years, though. He's got quite a write up on that one now.
---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Blake Bowers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:12 AM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!! > Lyons was one of the power feed stations. Very cool > place. It is now in private ownership - a telephone > collector owns it. > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > heaven knows we need them down here! > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:57 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!! > > >>I thought Lyons sounded familiar... a coax route went from a facility >>near >> here to that facility. >> >> >> ---------- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "jp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 1:19 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!! >> >>> I don't know about local stuff, but what I read about the history of >>> AT&T Longlines is that it must have been heavily government funded for >>> federal defense and communications interests. Here is one example >>> >>> http://long-lines.net/places-routes/Lyons_NE/index.html >>> >>> They must have been either richer than the feds or federally funded to >>> be able to build their infrastructure to the high standards needed to >>> survive nuclear war. If you think someone is milking the government a >>> little with a small community homeland security radio project, AT&T had >>> the whole milk processing plant metaphorically speaking. >>> >>> If the feds didn't build it, surely they rebuilt it to their standards >>> with fat contracts to a monopoly provider. >>> >>> I have personally built and tested many analog phones for the federal >>> government that sold for $1000 each in some cases; the company I was >>> working for that had this contract had bid against AT&T to get it. If >>> the phones cost that much, I can't imagine that the services cost. >>> >>> Now RUS is financing Crossroads, a mostly redundant and unnecesary >>> cellular network meant to benefit the ILECs who are not verizon. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 10:11:27AM -0600, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>> The phone system was not developed by tax dollars. >>>> It was developed by guys like Art Brothers who hand built miles of open >>>> wire >>>> pole lines by himself. >>>> He later got loans from the REA (later to become the RUS) to improve >>>> his >>>> system. A program that serves as a profit center for the us >>>> government. >>>> You all should be thanking the RUS for making your income tax bill >>>> lower >>>> through money that flows from that program to the general fund. >>>> >>>> Do you really think Ma Bell was not profitable and had to be supported >>>> by >>>> taxes? >>>> When I think of blue chip stock, I think of the old AT&T. >>>> >>>> How was the phone system developed by tax dollars? 120 years ago there >>>> was >>>> a boom in telecommunications with in some cases multiple LECs in the >>>> same >>>> city. Government regulation stepped in to create the monopoly and to >>>> tax >>>> it. But they did not build the bell system or any of the independents. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:04 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!! >>>> >>>> >>>> > Chuck, so your definition of a "tax" is if you are forced to pay? >>>> > Keeping in mind that the phone system was developed as a public >>>> > utility by tax dollars that we all were forced to pay. IMO, that >>>> > means >>>> > that we should be able use it without being encumbered by fees other >>>> > than what are necessary to support the system is was designed for. Am >>>> > I really off base here? >>>> > -RickG >>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Chuck McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> Use magic jack, ham radio, smoke signals, skype or the post office. >>>> >> Your telephone bill comes from a commercial enterprise. >>>> >> You do not have to participate. >>>> >> Therefore you are not forced to pay into our charity program. >>>> >> That is not a tax. >>>> >> >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> >> From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:52 AM >>>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] gotta love USF!!!! >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> Tacking a fee on my telephone bill is a form of taxation. -RickG >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The current USF audits by USAC are turning up collusion between >>>> >>>> school >>>> >>>> districts (the principle is the brother of the local ISP) and >>>> >>>> provider >>>> >>>> of >>>> >>>> goods and services of E-rate funded projects. The audits have not >>>> >>>> shown >>>> >>>> any >>>> >>>> telephone company to be misusing this money. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And I want to repeat, this is not taxpayer money. Most of this >>>> >>>> money >>>> >>>> is >>>> >>>> from a charge tacked onto the bills of the RBOC customers. It is >>>> >>>> revenue >>>> >>>> pooling and re-distribution. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So, lets back off the "misuse by telephone company" tone of this >>>> >>>> discussion. >>>> >>>> If we want to point fingers, you will find the fingers are >>>> >>>> pointing >>>> >>>> at >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> local networking and ISP companies. That is the major source of >>>> >>>> the >>>> >>>> misuse. >>>> >>>> The second is cell phone companies claiming to be providing pots >>>> >>>> service >>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>> rural customers via tellular units. 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