That's not fair :-) I didn't know we were talking Mikrotik. Yes other systems will support the same bandwidth at 1/3 the cost using the same amount of spectrum...
But you can't get 150 customers on those AP's, or the same carrier to noise ratio... etc. You get what you pay for (as much as I love Canopy I'll be the first one to admit that if I had my own personal WISP, I might not deploy Canopy everywhere unless I was big like Mesa was where you don't have to have quick ROI on every AP) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? I didn't say Trango... ;) Mikrotik AP's can be built for $400 including your choice of antenna (omni, sector, etc.). That's 1/3 the price of a Canopy AP, and it delivers twice the bandwidth in the same spectrum. So I can install three seperate AP's for the same price as one Canopy AP. Also, CPE's can be built for as little as $160 (we use a higher quality antenna, so we are closer to $180). Compare that with Canopy at $250ish (including PoE and dish). That doesn't even include all the other "stuff" you have to have with Canopy (GPS units, Prizm servers, etc.) Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: > Can you please explain to me how Trango is 1/3 the price of Canopy? Last > time I checked with was roughly the same price. > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > > _____ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 10:08 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? > > > > Chuck, > > We don't use Canopy just because my competitors are using it. And really, > any more, the customer doesn't care HOW the bandwidth gets delivered. So why > not use a product that can deliver twice the bandwidth for 1/3 the price? ;) > > Travis > Microserv > > Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: > > If you hang out over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] you will find more than a hundred > > WISPs, many of them very small operations from 100-1000 subscribers that are > > 100% canopy. And generally speaking they are kicking butt and taking names > in their markets. I disagree that Canopy is not marketed to the smaller > WISPS. It costs a little more to deploy but you earn it back with a fixed > guaranteed latency, high priority for voip, 10 mbps burst and many other > features that keep the customer happy and retained. Come to AF09 and see > how Motorola markets to the smaller WISPS. Moreover their new 430 line > delivers better performance for the price than Redline or Alvarion. And > they are still innovating. > > While I will admit I have a vested interest in seeing Canopy continue to > have legs, I don't think my opinions are unfounded. > > It is funny how the Canopy product line is so polarizing in this industry. > I picked it entirely by chance. It was either Canopy or Proxim. I am glad > I picked what I picked. Many others picked Trango. They are able to make > it work and earn money. I know of some folks that abandoned Trango for > Canopy. Don't personally know anyone who went the other way but I am sure > that someone will educated me to that situation as soon as I press the send > button. > > I don't understand human psychology well enough to even begin to explain why > > this is such a polarizing topic. Cognitive dissonance seems to come into > play. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Butch Evans" <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:45 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? > > > > > On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > > > > I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a "value" > decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could > support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it > today. There is a real "gap" in the products that are available on > the market: > > > I don't disagree with your assessment of the current product matrix. > I don't even assume that ALL WISPs are "cheap". I am not sure I > would say that even MOST of them are cheap. But enough of them are > that the middle of the road products you want are missing in action. > > > > Next = Mikrotik > Next = Trango, Canopy, etc > > > Since they have fixed their wireless, I'd put MT in the same class > as Trango and Canopy. > > > > So, again, why hasn't there been an evolution of products the last > 2-3 years? Did everyone stop normal R&D to focus on WiMax? > > > I have an opinion (which I stated in rant form) about what happened > to the R&D. The Canopy line (which is a very nice radio) is a good > example. Motorola has delivered a product that just works. It is > expensive compared to other products sold to the same "marketplace", > but it is NOT expensive for what it delivers. Better, yet, they are > working to make a new product line that will improve upon what is > available today. But their primary market isn't the "normal" WISP. > They service companies that are better funded, which typically means > larger WISPs, cable companies and telcos. > > I really hope I didn't offend anyone with my rant. It wasn't > intended to do that. I really just wish our industry as a whole > would get out of the hole that we have dug with the "cheaper is > better" mindframe. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! 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