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Rick, I guess the one thing I need to mention was since we started leasing, we have always had enough installs to cover the equipment we are buying. I would never buy equipment in the "hopes" that you will have customers to use it. We have done 100+ installs per month for many years, so we buy 250 radios at a time. They usually get us by for about 3-4 months (because of other people canceling their service and we pick up the old radio and re-install it). You aren't going wrong, and it sounds like your way is working for you just fine. Really leasing only works if you can get the economies of scale of buying 250-500 radios at a time, so you get the true cost savings on the price of the radios to offset the extra cost of the interest on the lease. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Same here so we're in sync on that. As far as leasing, I leased my initial allotment of equipment but the new sub take rate has been very unpredictable so didnt feel comfortable enough to add to the monthly lease payment. Therefore, I've been purchasing additional CPE as I add new subs. This has allowed me to grow while getting an immeadiate expense deduction on the new equipment to write off on my new revenue. Where am I going wrong? -RickGOn Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:The CPE is our property and it is just part of the monthly service. We don't charge extra for it (because without it, they can't have service). Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Travis, Do you lease or rent the CPE to you customers? -RickG On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Travis Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Honestly, the fastest way to grow is to lease your CPE. Then the install fee covers your cost on every install, and you aren't "upside down" on every new customer. Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: You are doing it. Just keep bootstrapping. Once you get 1000 subscribers things will be a bit better. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] Client Speeds I have read many post on this list about how much bandwidth different WISP offer. I want to discuss that as well as the recommended equipment that is so often discussed on this list. I am a startup. Little to no startup capital. I had to pinch each penny to get as much as possible out of it. My goal was to service the clients no one wanted in a county that had no Fiber or DSL other that what Verizon holds hostage. So now after 2 years I have 8 towers with 320 clients. The service I offer is a $39.99 basic level 640k x 256k and a $59.99 Pro Level 1M x 512k. You guys are talking about 10Mb. If I turn off the speed control on AP's and let people play I don't get over 3.5M on any of them. ( 2.4 MT or StarOS, and Tranzeo CPE's) I use a StarOS Full Duplex Link to Backhaul to a Fiber connection that I Share cost of with another WISP my size. The investment I would have to make to achieve 10MB to each client is financially Impossible. Surely some of you big guys out there have been in my shoes. What do you recommend a small WISP in my situation to do in the future. Please don't start with the statement, "How you should have started you service". I was providing a solution. So this is what I have and I know of at least 6 other small WISP's on this list who are in the same boat. So BIG GUYS think back. How do I grow into new BROADBAND definition without rebuilding my network from the ground up. What is everyone charging and what does the client get for that price. Financing is not readily available and the Boss hopes to one day get some ROI. 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