Everyone praised WiMAX because it would be cross compatible. Welp, $10k AP later, you're still stuck with a proprietary system, you just have less money.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Drew Lentz" <d...@drewlentz.com> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:34 AM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>; "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 >>From what I understood from the guys at Tranzeo, just because they are > manufactured both by Tranzeo and they are the same freq, there are hooks > into all of the CPEs so that they are not cross-compatible. This might > need > clarification, but I was sure that this was the case in speaking with > their > guys. In other words, the Tranzeo / Redline CPEs work only with Redline, > the > Tranzeo / Vecima CPEs work only with Vecima. The Tranzeo CPEs direct from > Tranzeo will not work with either .. This was done so that end-users don't > shop around to piece together the system. > > I might be wrong, but I remember when I heard this described I did the > whole > "dog tilting it's head sideways" thing ... > > -drew > > > On 12/13/08 5:32 PM, "Gino Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote: > >> >> >> it uses 802.03af PS ... >> >> My point was that you could use the low cost Vecima Bases with these >> CPEs ... >> >> or stick with el cheapo tranzeo units .... Would you pay extra $50 for a >> quality cpe? I'll do >> >> Definetly Tranzeo does not manufacture this unit .... >> >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> g...@aeronetpr.com >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:21 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vecima 3.65 >> >> >> Ummmm.... pricing is WAY, WAY different. >> >> Redline AP's are around $10k >> Vecima AP's are around $4k >> >> Redline CPE's are $300 each (even in 250 quantity) >> Vecima CPE's are less than $249 >> >> And, I was told Tranzeo is making Redline's CPE as well? Could you send >> a picture of the Redline CPE? >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> Gino Villarini wrote: >> >> iirc one vendor told me the recline CPe could talk with the >> Vecima >> base.... >> >> >> The redline units are top notch quality construction, no tranzeo >> >> mickey mouse stuff. >> >> >> Afaik pricing is not much diferent >> >> >> Gino >> >> Sent from my Motorola Startac... >> >> >> On Dec 13, 2008, at 2:37 PM, "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> >> <mailto:t...@ida.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> We received our Vecima "trial" kit (one AP and five CPE) >> on Thursday >> afternoon. We have not yet put it on a tower, as there >> were several >> issues with their software on the AP... but here's some >> info thus far: >> >> The base station is quite large. It measures >> approximately 14 inches >> tall x 8 inches wide x 6 inches thick. It weighs about >> 25 pounds >> (seriously). It has an RJ-45 ethernet connector and an >> N-male >> connector on the bottom. (I was lead to believe they had >> omni, 90 >> degree, 120 degree and connectorized versions, and I >> requested the >> 120 unit, but instead got this with an LMR jumper and an >> MTI 120 >> antenna). >> >> We began by getting into the AP and making some "normal" >> changes >> (downlink was set to 50%, so we changed it to 70%). Also >> the center >> frequency was set to 3.410 so we changed that to 3.650. >> We also >> changed to 7mhz channel size. We then applied and >> rebooted... and >> then we could no longer get into the "radio" >> configuration page >> (where we had just made all those changes). So we did a >> factory >> reset and tried again. Same thing. We opened a trouble >> ticket with >> Vecima the next morning, and they were able to reproduce >> the problem >> in their lab. Then about 3 hours later, another tech >> called back and >> told us we needed to upgrade the firmware (even though >> the first >> tech said we were running the latest). We upgraded and >> that fixed >> the problem... but then we had a new problem. The >> "Allowed MAC >> address" file somehow got corrupted... so they had to >> SSH into the >> base station and fix that file. (By the way, this AP is >> just running >> Linux 2.6.14 kernel). We were now able to make a >> connection to one >> of the CPE (after setting up the service classifiers, >> service flows, >> and adding a service flow to this MAC address). Making a >> link on our >> test bench (10 feet away), we had a -55ish signal... >> however, the >> ping times and speeds were terrible (2000ms and at the >> most 2Mbps). >> I am thinking it was because this is running OFDM and in >> close >> proximity, the signals bounce all over. Last, all three >> techs that I >> talked to at Vecima asked "Do you have an NMS (network >> management >> server)?" and I had to continually say "no" and then >> they would say >> "oh... I don't know how to do this manually". One of the >> reasons we >> were testing this solution is that it did not require >> their NMS to >> function... however, even their tech support is pretty >> limited if >> you don't have it. Their NMS server is about $5,000 (but >> a single >> server will support an entire network, with unlimited >> AP's and CPE). >> >> On to the CPE: This is one of the worst designs of a CPE >> that I have >> ever seen. The entire unit is made by Tranzeo and looks >> just like >> their normal 2.4 CPE. It has the bar of lights on the >> top showing >> Power, LAN, RSSI, etc. The mounting bracket is the "L" >> bracket that >> bolts to the back and has a U-bolt and clamp to hook to >> the pipe. >> The biggest problem is how the ethernet cable connects. >> It has the >> white cover plate that goes over the RJ-45 connector >> that has to be >> bolted to the back of the radio... the problem is, the >> pass-thru >> connector is not big enough to allow an already crimped >> RJ-45 cable >> to pass thru... meaning, you have to run the cable thru >> the white >> plastic thing, then crimp it, then plug it in, and then >> screw the >> nuts down holding the white cover. If you ever have to >> replace the >> radio with something different, you have to cut the >> cable and then >> re-crimp. Also, I can guarantee that water is going to >> get into the >> RJ-45 as it is on the back of the radio and the water >> will always be >> trying to get into the white cover and then will just >> "flow" right >> into the RJ-45. I have attached a picture that is 99% >> the same as >> this unit (except this unit is smaller than the >> picture). The other >> issue is the PoE injector that comes with the unit. This >> is the >> worst PoE that I have ever seen. I don't understand why >> they can't >> use a grounded PoE that doesn't require a separate >> ground wire. Use >> the ground built into the electrical wiring that is >> already there >> (like the PacWireless PoE units). Attached is a picture >> of the PoE >> that was supplied. >> >> I will be testing the speeds and range this Monday >> (assuming the >> weather is better... we got 6" of snow and 40MPH winds >> last night). >> I will post more results as I have them. At this point, >> I am not >> really impressed with a $4,000 AP that's just running >> Linux. >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> <cpe.jpg> >> <poe.jpg> >> >> >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> --- >> --- >> --- >> --- >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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