We moved to a shielded, weatherproof, outdoor cat5E 3 years ago.  best thing we ever did to improve ap and cpe stability.

Jeff Ehman wrote:
You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years).  A lot of people I have talked to are not fully aware of the different types of cable available and just go to a Belden rep somewhere.  It can be pretty confusing and they overcharge all the time.  It really isn't their fault, but I don't think they fully understand cable manufacturing.  Most of the electrical distribution guys just buy small amounts of Cat5 for people in their area.  It isn't a large part of their business so it isn't top of mind share.

-Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:26 PM
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young

I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our
equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller <joe.mil...@dslbyair.com> wrote:

  
Here is an idea for the tower sites....Run your cat5 in electrical conduit,
the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather.
I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3
years now.


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer <o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:

    
From: Marlon K. Schafer <o...@odessaoffice.com>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they
      
are for the young
    
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM
I have had a few customers look at us crosswise.  A couple
have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet
jacks.  We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry
the parts with me.

I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates
in.  I don't want the extra connection in a poe
situation.  It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I
know that connections are almost always the reason for a
failure so I want the fewest possible.

We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a
vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little
ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside.

Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5
cable.  People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired
of cables with water in them.  Luckily it seems to almost
exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's
sites.  It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad
cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls!

Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to
use instead of this black stuff we're using now.

laters,
marlon

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Miller"
<joe.mil...@dslbyair.com>
To: "Marlon K. Schafer"
<o...@odessaoffice.com>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs
yourself,they are for the young


      
I just had to ask......very interesting.


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
        
<o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
      
From: Marlon K. Schafer
          
<o...@odessaoffice.com>
      
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
          
installs yourself,they are for the young
      
To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General
          
List" <wireless@wispa.org>
      
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM
Not at all.  We hide the holes behind a desk or
          
something
      
when ever
possible.  You'll never notice them.  Unlike a
          
big,
      
ugly wall plate.

marlon

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe
          
Miller" <joemiller...@yahoo.com>
      
To: "WISPA General List"
<wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing
          
installs
      
yourself,they are
for the young


          
Marlon,

You are joking......right?


--- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer
            
<o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
          
From: Marlon K. Schafer
              
<o...@odessaoffice.com>
          
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
              
doing
      
installs yourself, they
          
are for the young
To: "WISPA General List"
              
<wireless@wispa.org>
          
Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM
Who uses wall plates anyway?  We just try
              
to get
      
the hole
          
right at the top
of the baseboards.  Then, someday when
              
all this is
      
gone and
          
some new
technology (TV band with no external
              
antenna?)
      
replaces it
          
they'll just have
to plug one small hole and give it a dab
              
of paint!
      
marlon

----- Original Message ----- >>
              
From: "Scott Reed"
      
<scottr...@onlyinternet.net>
To: "WISPA General List"
<wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop
              
doing
      
installs
          
yourself, they are
for the young


              
Don't they still make plates
                
with just a
      
1/4"
          
hole in it.  No need to
              
drill.



George Rogato wrote:
                
I was trying to drill a hole
                  
into a blank
      
wall
          
plate. All of the sudden,
              
it shattered into about 10
                  
pieces.
      
That happens a lot with a
                  
typical
      
bakerlite type
          
wall plate.
              
Next time you buy blank plates,
                  
try to
      
find the
          
lexan flexible ones.
              
Everyone makes them, they are
                  
rubber like
      
and when
          
you drill a hole in
              
it, it doesn't crack or
                  
shatter.
      
They come in white ivory etc and
                  
like I
      
said,
          
everyone makes them ,
              
Leviton, eagle, p&s, hubble
                  
etc.
      
They cost no more.





                  
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