The biggest problem with all this, is that dictionaries use old definitions... and the definition of a dynamic political ideology is bound to change.
I'm far closer to the "definition" quoted, and yet, today, nobody would dream of calling me a "liberal". This makes conversations a lot harder. And tempers a lot hotter. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <insert witty tagline here> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Rogato" <wi...@oregonfast.net> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools > Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers > individual liberty and equality to be the most important political > goals.[1] > > Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. > Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete > over the use of the term "liberal" and may propose very different > policies, but they are generally united by their support for > constitutional liberalism, which encompasses support for: freedom of > thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of > law, an individual's right to private property,[2] and a transparent > system of government.[3][4][5] All liberals, as well as some adherents > of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of > government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, > where all citizens have equal rights by law.[6] > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism >> >> That one is about as far off as it can get. I think liberalism is >> interested in equal outcome, not equal opportunity. It's interested in >> eliminating the poor, bad grades, winners and losers etc. Liberalism >> wants >> to make sure you don't loose that house you shouldn't have etc..... >> >> <flame suit on> >> >> marlon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools >> >> >>> Responded off list, but this is interesting...especially the last >>> paragraph... >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Tom Sharples >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:29 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools >>> >>> In the early 1920's, things got to the point in Germany where it cost >>> 100 >>> million marks to send a letter across town. Be careful what you wish >>> for. >>> >>> Tom S. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools >>> >>> >>>> Oh!!!...you just hit the nail on the head! If the money is for >>>> me...well >>>> then it's ok. Someone else and then it's not. <grin> >>>> >>>> That's why I'm for the $7k, $20k, $80k (whatever it is) check sent to >>>> my >>>> home address made out to Yours Truly instead! >>>> >>>> Then we're all benefiting and can stimulate the economy as we each see >>>> fit. >>>> >>>> Brad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of George Rogato >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools >>>> >>>> I heard from my far right wing buddy, that the plan is to get to $15 >>>> Trillion by the time they are all done. >>>> >>>> Seriously. >>>> >>>> For the record, I am not sure if anyone else has noticed, but I have >>>> yet >>>> to actually meet anyone, anyone from the far left to the far right, and >>>> we have plenty of both around here, that think any of this bail out is >>>> worth while. >>>> I hear, give Americans a free tax year and let us stimulate that way. I >>>> hear let them fail, it's natural for the weak to fail, and it;s there >>>> own fault. >>>> But I just have not heard one person say, I agree what a great idea. >>>> And >>>> I come across a lot of people. >>>> >>>> >>>> I like the idea money will be spent on broadband, but not citigroup, >>>> myself. >>>> >>>> George >>>> >>>> >>>> Chuck Bartosch wrote: >>>>> LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not >>>>> even in the ballpark! >>>>> >>>>> Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, >>>>> what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? >>>>> >>>>> ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would >>>>>> be equal >>>>>> to or less than the government writing every household in America a >>>>>> $70k or >>>>>> $80k check? >>>>>> >>>>>> Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds >>>>>> to >>>>>> "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so >>>>>> far... >>>>>> >>>>>> Brad >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>> On >>>>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM >>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools >>>>>> >>>>>> Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public >>>>>> Hearing >>>>>> right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they >>>>>> are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors >>>>>> next school year. And the year after that there may be that many >>>>>> more. >>>>>> That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. >>>>>> >>>>>> So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we >>>>>> are >>>>>> STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of >>>>>> business. :( >>>>>> >>>>>> Travis >>>>>> Microserv >>>>>> >>>>>> RickG wrote: >>>>>>> Where is this headed? >>>>>>> http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html >>>>>>> Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? >>>>>>> -RickG >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ---- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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