Some are in areas that will never support that much overhead.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ <insert witty tagline here> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richey" <myli...@battleop.com> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > That's still a pretty hard thing for a small provider to swallow when they > are starting out. > > > Richey > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:44 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > Hi Mike, > > I can't agree more! > > Circuit diversity is really difficult in some remote areas though. Many > times, bringing redundant circuits in via licensed links is the ONLY way > to > get true diversity. > > Regards, > > Jeff > ImageStream > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:35 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > You should engineer your network to take advantage of BGP instead of being > afraid of it. BGP will bring you closer to more parts of the Internet and > will protect you from routing problems on the net. > > oh, and make sure the two lines you get are completely diverse. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Richey" <myli...@battleop.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:45 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > >> Why should you HAVE to pay for something that you really will never use? >> I >> read about guys in rural areas that are still paying $700+ for a T1. >> Even at $500/mo that's a lot of money to spend on something you will >> never really >> use. You might as well be down if your DS3 takes a hit and your >> traffic >> rolls over to the T1. >> >> Richey >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of John Thomas >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >> >> Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that >> you can legitimately run BGP and multi home? >> You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe >> if necessary. >> >> I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We >> have a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 >> blocks apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* >> include Internet access, only point to point. >> >> John >> >> Richey wrote: >>> /rant on >>> >>> Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a >>> market where it's not cost effective to multi home. Where many >>> people might get >> a >>> DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month. For >>> those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their >>> connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home >>> in >> the >>> beginning. >>> >>> If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will >>> give you an allocation. I have had problems in the past with a >>> similar >> situation >>> where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to >>> allocate any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN. ARIN would not >>> do anything until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg > problem. >>> >>> The policy should be different for an ISP. If you are a small ISP >>> multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22. It makes it hard >>> for the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their >>> IP blocks are non portable. >>> >>> /rant off >>> >>> Richey >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Cliff Olle >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >>> >>> I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 >>> days or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the >>> case you are only using 4 class Cs? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Scott Piehn >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >>> >>> One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. >>> >>> >>> Scott >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "John Thomas" <jtho...@quarnet.com> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >>> >>> >>> >>>> If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and >>>> if you are not, then you will need to justify a /20 ( 16 class C's) >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>> >>>>> We probably need to get our own ip addys now. 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