Why should you HAVE to pay for something that you really will never use? I read about guys in rural areas that are still paying $700+ for a T1. Even at $500/mo that's a lot of money to spend on something you will never really use. You might as well be down if your DS3 takes a hit and your traffic rolls over to the T1.
Richey -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN Are you saying that it is not practical for you to get a T-1 so that you can legitimately run BGP and multi home? You can set BGP so that 99% of the traffic goes over the bigger pipe if necessary. I am curious where people are getting DS3's at $1500 per month? We have a client that has a point to point DS3 for 2 buildings that are 2 blocks apart and they pay $2000 for each end, and that *does not* include Internet access, only point to point. John Richey wrote: > /rant on > > Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a market > where it's not cost effective to multi home. Where many people might get a > DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month. For > those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their > connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in the > beginning. > > If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give > you an allocation. I have had problems in the past with a similar situation > where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate > any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN. ARIN would not do anything > until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem. > > The policy should be different for an ISP. If you are a small ISP > multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22. It makes it hard for > the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks > are non portable. > > /rant off > > Richey > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Cliff Olle > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 days > or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case you are > only using 4 class Cs? > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Scott Piehn > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > One add to the /22. You need to be or plan to be running BGP. > > > Scott > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Thomas" <jtho...@quarnet.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > > >> If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if >> you are not, then you will need to justify a /20 ( 16 class C's) >> >> John >> >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>> We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class c's >>> and >>> will need more pretty soon in one location. >>> >>> Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process? >>> >>> marlon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > >>> WISPA Wants You! 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