Since it is Friday and I am bored

Here's some interesting points

11 GHz Licensed Radio
-       220 Mb (110 FD): -76 dBm

PTP600
-       300 Mb (150 FD): -59.1 dBm
-       200 Mb (100 FD): -68.1 dBm

12 Mile Shot - Availability for both systems using 2' dishes is 99.999% -- but 
we may need larger dishes for 5 GHz to account for interference and noise 
(while in the licensed band, interference and noise doesn't exist)

Assuming no noise for PTP600
-       2' (28 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 200.68 Mb 
(~100 Mb Full Duplex)
-       4' (34 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 287.69 Mb 
(~140 Mb Full Duplex)

Now, since the PTP600 requires 30 MHz of spectrum and BOTH polarities, it's 
safe to assume that generally speaking, we should plan for a minimum thermal 
noise floor of -80 dBm - adding that into the equation, our calculation now 
shows the following
-       2' (28 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 109.03 Mb 
(~50 Mb Full Duplex)
-       4' (34 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 197.61 Mb 
(~100 Mb Full Duplex)

11 GHz Licensed Radio (no noise to worry about)
-       2' (34.3 dBi) Dishes on both sides - Aggregate Throughput - 220 Mb (110 
Mb  Full Duplex)

*NOTE: Licensed radios transmit and receive on SEPARATE frequencies...so round 
trip latency is ~0.4 milliseconds (~400 microseconds) per hop


Now, let's look at cost
PTP600 with 2' Dual Pol antennas and misc stuff: $14k
PTP600 with 4' Dual Pol antennas and misc stuff: $16k
Licensed Radio with 2' Dishes (Software Upgradable to 300 Mb Full Duplex) and 
FCC License: $12k



-Jeff
CTI
"There is a Difference"


-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed


IMHO the PTP600 is the best UL radio in the market... 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 11:08 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed

>From what I understand the PTP600 is an OFDM "best effort" radio.  If 
>the RF
environment is favorable then it will pass data.  If not then it slows
down and/or starts dropping packets.

I believe the PTP600 is also a HDX radio, is it not?  Not trying to be
adversarial...just interested in learning more about any UL radio that
can produce 150Mbpd FDX as reliable as a licensed radio set.

Anyone have a PTP600 manual they can send me?


Brad


-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:59 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed

Just the PTP600 that I think off ... 30 mhz 


Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:54 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed

Ok, I'll bite.  What UL radio set is going to produce 150Mbps FDX and at
what RF spectrum cost?


Brad


-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:02 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed

All,

This post is for those looking at putting in high throughput unlicensed
radios.  I can talk all day about the advantages of licensed (guarantee
of 35-40db fade margin for starters) but I want to throw out some real
world numbers I am seeing.  Don't get me wrong, there is always a place
for unlicensed radios (speed to deploy...licensed takes 4-6 weeks to
build, and you can move the radios without relicensing) but there are
other options on the high capacity side right now.  Check out everything
below because the pricing for licensed has come down tremendously over
the years.  Just something to mull over this weekend.

THIS IS ALL IN APPLES TO APPLES.

~110mbps Licensed Radio
Radio + 2 foot dished + Coordination = $9,995.00 FCC Fees = $650 per
side = $1,300.00
2 Power Supplies and 2 POE Adaptors = ~$638.00 TOTAL PRICE ALL IN =
~$11,933.00

~150mbps Unlicensed Radio
150mbps Connectorized Radio Link = ~$11,000 Dual Pol Antennas + Coax
Jumpers = ~$400.00 TOTAL PRICE ALL IN = $11,400.00

-Jeff
CTI
"There is a Difference"


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