I'd say that is a pretty good noise floor for 900MHz... remember this stuff
can carry forever

Cordless phones, baby monitors... basically most things wireless can use
900MHz.  Then you could be near a paging tower... or possibly a SCADA
network out there.

Honestly... I'm surprised your 2.4GHz noise floor is that good too

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-----Original Message-----
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Mark McElvy
>Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 9:55 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>
>I am curious about 900 noise. My 2.4 gear sees noise levels of about -98
>to -102, but the XR9 setup I have with H120 sector see -80 to -85 or so.
>I am in a small town of 5000 and I am curious what might be generating
>such a high noise floor.
>
>Mark McElvy
>AccuBak Data Systems, Inc.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of RickG
>Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:42 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>
>Lol, and the answer is because horizontal usually has less noise.
>Whcih has nothing to do with the size of the wave cycle. Unless
>someone knows something I dont - which is always possible.
>
>On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Paul
>Rice<paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com> wrote:
>> heh, the question was why folks doing 900 preferred horizontal
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:41 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
>>> Rice<paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com> wrote:
>>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave cycle
>>>> approx
>>>> 13 inches long
>>>
>>> I knew that but couldnt figure out why you specified "horizontal". I
>>> guess you might have said  Folks like 900 MHz due to the size of the
>>> wave cycle approx 13 inches long.
>>>
>>> Thanks! -RickG
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Paul
>>> Rice<paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com> wrote:
>>>> same size.  The electromagnetic wave is the same, polarity refers to
>the
>>>> orientation of the wave. up and down or side to side.
>>>> 13 inches is the wavelength (length of a single cycle).
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:33 PM
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>>
>>>>> The wave size of vertical would be different? -RickG
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Paul
>>>>> Rice<paul.r...@boomerang-networks.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Folks like horizontal for 900 MHz due to the size of the wave
>cycle
>>>>>> approx
>>>>>> 13 inches long
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 11:02 AM
>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But look at all the experience you are gaining :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Robert
>>>>>>> West<robert.w...@just-micro.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why horizontal polarity?  Cause I'm a total idiot when it comes
>to
>>>>>>>> 900mhz
>>>>>>>> and as my luck usually runs, if I go by the book nothing works
>until
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> what I'm not supposed to do.  But, also as my luck runs, the
>opposite
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> what I try first will work  So it actually won't matter what I
>do
>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>> sitting the antennas 5 feet in front of each other, it will
>never
>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> first time out.  :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>boun...@wispa.org]
>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tim Edwards
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:33 AM
>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm with Chuck, much better performance with the Trango vs.
>Mikrotik
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> my experience.
>>>>>>>> Why horizontal pol?  Vertical cuts through the foliage much
>bettter,
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> least with the NorCal
>>>>>>>> foliage we have here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>>>> Tim Edwards, Chief Engineer         t...@telescience.net
>>>>>>>> TeleScience Networks             http://telescience.net
>>>>>>>> 11101 Hiway 1, #102                        415-663-8891
>>>>>>>> Point Reyes Station, CA 94956-1375
>>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I find that the Trango 900 can handle the noise and capacity
>much
>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>> than MikroTik/XR9.  I have a few hundred on Trango and it works
>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>> imo than XR9's.  Canopy's GPS synch is the only reason I would
>>>>>>>>> prefer
>>>>>>>>> their 900MHz option.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Chuck Hogg
>>>>>>>>> Shelby Broadband
>>>>>>>>> 502-722-9292
>>>>>>>>> ch...@shelbybb.com
>>>>>>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>boun...@wispa.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Robert West
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:49 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm actually about to test something similar in a few days.  We
>have
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> 2.5
>>>>>>>>> mile link to put in with half a mile of it through trees with
>.25
>>>>>>>>> miles
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> that running right over a creek.  Doing it on the cheap, or
>trying
>>>>>>>>> to.
>>>>>>>>> Have
>>>>>>>>> 2 Mikrotik 411 boards on both sides running a transparent
>bridge
>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>> XR9
>>>>>>>>> cards attached to a pac wireless grid antenna setup with
>horizontal
>>>>>>>>> polarity.  The antennas are up and the boxes are configured,
>just
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> to go
>>>>>>>>> out tonight or tomorrow and run power to them and try to see
>what
>>>>>>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> throughput we can get, if any.  Haven't tried it before but
>we'll
>>>>>>>>> see.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bob-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>boun...@wispa.org]
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:38 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] 900Mhz question
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We've been using the Trango 900Mhz gear and are familiar with
>canopy
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> it's abilities.  How does a Mikrotik with something like a XR9
>>>>>>>>> compare
>>>>>>>>> in terms of penetration and throughput when paired with a
>Ubiquity
>>>>>>>>> CPE?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>>>>>>>>> Computer Network Solutions
>>>>>>>>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
>>>>>>>>> IT Manager
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
>>>>>>>>> http://www.csweb.net
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (918) 235-0414
>>>>>>>>>
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