Damn, that's a good setup then! AT&T has a decent domestic setup from my experience with setting them up for customers. They even have a decent way to get internet access for no extra cash if the phone is setup right. Not exactly ethical but I would think that since the instructions have been on the net for so long they would have closed that loophole if they had an issue with it. :)
-----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Schmidt Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have a Nokia E71 and tether it to my laptop via Bluetooth for always-on-everywhere. It's worked everywhere I've been including 20 countries outside the US. I get 1.35 mbps download virtually everywhere I try it in the US...Texas cities, DC, NYC, etc. Using their MediaNet, it's $10 a month for unlimited use. How can you compete with that? . . . J o n a t h a n -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops I have an AT&T aircard built into my laptop (Thinkpad t500; Ericsson f3507g) and if it worked half of the places I try I'd be happy. Many places just don't seem offer a strong enough signal and the rest associate but never get pppoe operating. There have been a few places where their DNS was down, but I got online and used my own DNS. Don't count on aircards for remote connectivity (or your cell phone for data, tethered or not). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Robert West <robert.w...@just-micro.com>wrote: > I usually just sit down and cry for a few minutes, somehow find a way > to blame the customer, cry again for a few minutes, etc..... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:05 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn > into a brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things > don't work? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney <josh.che...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because > > their connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... > > > > Robert West wrote: > > > I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every > > > install > > online > > > so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at > > > the > > moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org > > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > > > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > > > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM > > > To: WISPA General List > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > > > > > Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if > > > it's another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the > > > resident is > > gone. > > > Get paperwork that allows you to do so. > > > > > > Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it > > > penetrates > the > > > wall and the POE. > > > > > > Josh Luthman > > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > > 1100 Wayne St > > > Suite 1337 > > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, > > > however improbable, must be the truth." > > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < > > > jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: > > > > > >> inline > > >> > > >> Mark Nash wrote: > > >>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. > > >>> > > >>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even > > >>> the > least > > >>> expensive MPoP? > > >> 1 > > >> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have > > >> a > > > laptop. > > >> They > > >> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage > > >> it, > they > > >> have > > >> ZERO access to it) > > >> > > >> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out > > >> some > > >> user/pass) is > > >> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. > > >> > > >>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs > > devalues > > >> my > > >>> business to a prospective buyer. > > >> Why? > > >> > > >>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem > > >>> for > > > tech > > >>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows > > >>> what > > > each > > >>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). > > >> Documentation! > > >> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a > place > > >> where I > > >> store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still > > >> in > the > > > one > > >> man > > >> shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every > > >> application, > > reams > > >> of > > >> note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I > > >> am missing most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network > > >> resource map > > setup. > > >> > > >>> I think this is good discussion... > > >>> > > >>> Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. > > >>> > > >>> Depends on a few factors... > > >>> > > >>> 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? > > >> Yes! =) > > >> > > >> OK OK, no bank robberies. > > >> > > >>> 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power > > >>> outage & > no > > >>> access to AP if its host is on vacation) > > >> Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access > > >> (roof) and everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted > > >> UPS's as it > makes > > >> sense > > >> to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. > In > > >> years > > >> the only power outage that did not take >everyone< out let us > > >> know > there > > >> was a > > >> issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the > battery > > > was > > >> bad > > >> till after the power failed. > > >> > > >>> 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to > > >> traditional > > >>> "inside-the-box" installations? > > >> Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I > > >> have > put > > > in > > >> time > > >> wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I > > >> can > not > > >> demand > > >> the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I > > >> expect > > that > > >> to > > >> change some day. > > >> > > >> "inside the box" oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 > > >> port > > > $2000, > > >> 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote "That (roof > > >> access) > > is > > >> to far > > >> out side the box". This is 10 years ago. > > >> > > >> > > >> On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn > > >> $5/mo or > so > > > in > > >> tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. > > >> If I > > > were > > >> to > > >> ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. > > >> Yes, > I > > am > > >> certifiable. > > >> > > >> > > >>> Mark Nash > > >>> UnwiredWest > > >>> 78 Centennial Loop > > >>> Suite E > > >>> Eugene, OR 97401 > > >>> 541-998-5555 > > >>> 541-998-5599 fax > > >>> http://www.unwiredwest.com > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> > > >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > >>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and > bullets > > >>>> for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). > > >>>> -RickG > > >>>> > > >>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy > > >>>> <mmce...@accubak.com> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to > > redistribute > > >>>>> service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a > > >>>>> full blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally > > >>>>> use 5.8 for > BH > > >>>>> typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a > > >>>>> PS2 > to > > >>>>> receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to > redistribute. > > >>>>> Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to > connect > > > to > > >>>>> the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or > > >> ridiculous > > >>>>> solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be > better? > > I > > >>>>> know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I > don't > > >>>>> need. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Mark > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > ---- > > >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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