I cannot believe this. WISPA has sold it's soul to the devil, and is now preaching the message.
There is NO SUCH DAMN THING AS FREE MONEY. Taking it WILL result in the feds coming and directing your business, controlling every aspect. Have you seen the news about TARP and other bailouts? This government is coming for you. It will set your rates, control your pay, and mandate your operations. Even if no such statutory obligations exist, we are no longer governed by laws or even any semblance of legislation - merely by whatever destroying you can yield in political benefits to the politicians. And if puts you under, they will dance on your grave, while they sing songs about the death of the greedy. It is IMMORAL to take this money, when we as a nation are so broke. Let someone else go to hell. I am neither fighting for it, nor would I accept it if you came to my door begging me to take a "free" check. I would rather go hungry and cold. Someday I will meet my Maker and I intend to say "I did the right thing even when it was unpopular". Stand on principle, people, or be the same as the whores who have caused the credit crisis, currency crisis, insurance crisis, and the list goes on and on. If WISPA cannot stand on that principle, it has exactly the same qualities and virtues as the damnable souls who have created this economic mess - that is, NONE WHATSOEVER. Someone, SOMEWHERE has to. The fact that millions of us in this country did NOT is why we're in this economic mess. This has to change, and it has to change WITH EVERY INDIVIDUAL OUT THERE. Be the solution, or be the cause. There's no other choices. Marlon, you and I have now parted ways. I absolutely cannot believe you would be such a whore for money, as to do immoral crap like this. As for anyone else with the same opinion? Take it the same. I don't give a flying damn if my competitors get millions. I don't even care if it results in my business failure. My conscience matters, that does not, in the overall scheme of life. Where are you going to stand? I intend to earn any dime I ever have, not by taking it in a most immoral display of theft. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <o...@odessaoffice.com> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 8:15 AM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? > Mark, we've been through all of this before. > > You are RIGHT in that it's non of the government's business. This is also > NOT their problem. > > But the fact that you and I (and probably most people here) think that > doesn't change the facts. Just because you wish your tire isn't flat or > think that there's absolutely no reason for it to be flat doesn't make it > unflat when it is in fact, flat. > > We warned you (and others) what, at least 5 or 6 years ago now? File the > 477 or someday the lack of data on what we're doing will come back to bite > us in the rear ends. Now we have the ARRA with it's billions of dollars > floating around out there and it looks like much of that money will not > only > end up in the hands of our competitors, those competitors will be quasi > government or flat out government entities! And WE'RE helping them by > sticking our heads in the sand when they ask us for data that anyone with > any desire at all can figure out anyway. > > Wake up already. We are loosing this fight. It's time for a new > strategy. > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MDK" <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? > > >> Yes, they do understand it. You're not understanding the point. The >> telcos have big bucks to lobby with, and benefit the regulators. We do >> not. Thus, we will NEVER be on their "list". We cannot get onto the >> top of the rolodex until we have millions with which to lobby, and can >> legally bribe a bunch of government agencies. >> >> There is no benefit to offering them data, free labor, etc. The >> mandates >> will get larger, deeper, more and more costly, and the benefits promised >> by >> certain individuals will never EVER happen. And, should it ever reach >> the >> point we actually pinch the telcos or cablecos enough for them to get >> concerned, they will call in the favors and have us obliterated. >> Welcome >> to the new generation of thug politics in DC. Just look what's >> happening >> to broadcast industry, the insurance industry, etc. "You exist to >> benefit >> our political aspirations. The moment you fail in that regard, you will >> be >> shredded, beaten, whipped, ruined, bankrupted and criminalized". Either >> you're a political ally, or you're toast. >> >> This administration has removed all semblances of public service and has >> officially made it federal policy to conduct political wars upon the >> people, >> businesses, enterprises, and even the states, if there is any political >> benefit to doing so. It is federal malevolence at the highest level >> ever >> seen before in this country. And it's getting worse by massive leaps >> and >> bounds. Even appointees to the FCC have made this clear, in >> demonstrating >> they believe in the direction and control of media and industry for the >> benefit of the political class. >> >> I argued years ago that surrendering our sovereignty to the feds was a >> recipe for industry disaster. So far, I've been called stupid, extreme, >> radical, idiotic, mindless, and a kook for thinking so. Trying being a >> health insurance company, doctor, investor, banker or any one of a number >> of >> recently demonized groups. The White House has decided it can control >> your prices, wages, services, products, and policies, if ANY public money >> passes to you or even if you just happen to be in an industry that gets >> political attention. Even if it just means a bailed out company did >> business with you. Or, your service is considered "important" or >> "essential". >> >> They haven't gotten around to us yet, but we're in the crosshairs. >> After >> all, we're in business to make a profit, and anyone making a profit >> needs >> to be slapped down and destroyed. We should have stood for our >> independence, instead of lusting after public money, but no, principle is >> foolish, and money is all that matters, I was told. Well, you got what >> you >> wanted. And I'm still around to say "I told you so". The pursuit of >> favors, public money, loans, grants... That was just too enticing, >> wasn't >> it? The country's going to hell in a handbasket financially, because >> everyone's holding their hand out waiting for someone else's money to >> flow >> their way, courtesy of politicians. And lots of the leadership of >> WISPA >> was arguing and holding out the promise of "getting someone else's money" >> for the industry. >> >> Well, ALL of you, and ALL of the same greedy mentalities all through our >> industry and nation have set the situation up that it's all come home to >> roost, and the taxpayers are... well, paying for it. Unemployment, >> ruined >> retirements, bankruptcy, and so on. >> >> You should have stood on principle, not on greed. Best never invite me >> to >> an "industry gathering" or I'll tell you what I really think. It would >> not >> be pretty. >> >> I haven't read this list in months, been busy. But nothing has changed. >> We've still got WISPA leadership promoting the lusting after public >> money. >> Damn you for your immorality. The consequences are all around us, the >> people have suffered greatly because of that kind of thinking... And >> you're >> STILL DOING IT??? >> >> I don't want to hear "they're going to give it anyway, might as well get >> your share". Hell no. We should put our country first, and the lust >> for >> easy "someone else's money" given the boot. But we've been sold out to >> the FCC by former leadership urging the FCC to regulate and mandate stuff >> on >> our part for them. In return, of course, for vague hints something >> might >> "come our way". >> >> Shame on every one of you who took, is trying to get, or even thinking of >> trying to get your hands on someone else's money. It wasn't just a >> political matter after all. It was moral, too. And look at the >> consequences it wrought. >> >> Ok, enough. I'm angry now and starting to get worked up. >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Scottie Arnett" <sarn...@info-ed.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:55 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] USF changes? >> >>> And they forgot all about the other ISP's out there. They are leaving it >>> up to the telcos to supply the demand! Do they(The FCC) not understand >>> that other companies besides the telcos and cable companies offer >>> Internet >>> access? >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>> From: RickG <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 23:49:39 -0500 >>> >>>>Warning: "The bill also drew early praise from AT&T" >>>> >>>>On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Blair Davis <the...@wmwisp.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/3847366/Lawmakers+Float+Bill+to+Boost+Rural+Broadband.htm >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure I need any more gov. interference! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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