OK, you've piqued my interest. I'll try it someday and take your word for it 
for now.

Greg

On Nov 22, 2009, at 8:21 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:

> Greg... your looking at this from an outdoors service provider aspect.  The
> gear isn't designed for that.  Its for indoor deployments (although there
> are people using it to do outdoor service).
> 
> Put a bullet with a 10dBi antenna and a Ruckus AP next to each other
> indoors... test from a few locations, and test with throughput, not receive
> level... and the results will speak for themselves :-)
> 
> Daniel White
> 3-dB Networks
> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 6:15 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
> 
> As APs I'm running Bullets with gain antennas, PS2's and NS2's so I've got
> the gain and great signals. I'm in a place where there's no interference of
> any kind. I'm already in the "sweet spot" as far as signal strength goes and
> clients are connecting at 54Mbps. What more is there to gain?
> 
> Greg
> 
> On Nov 22, 2009, at 8:09 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:
> 
>> Your average Wi-Fi AP comes with a 3dBi antenna or even a unity gain
>> antenna... every 3-dB increase is double the power...
>> 
>> The trick though isn't that its pointing a 10dBi antenna pattern at a
>> client, its that its taking it one step further and pointing that at the
>> best possible path to the client, which in an indoor environment is rarely
>> the most direct path.
>> 
>> I could pull out a few graphs that Ruckus has done to illustrate the
>> point... but the Toms Hardware article is the most unbiased review of the
>> gear out there
>> 
>> Daniel White
>> 3-dB Networks
>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 4:02 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
>> 
>> Seems hard to believe that if I took a 10dbi antenna which isn't all that
>> much gain and put it on my AP and pointed it at my client I'd see that
> much
>> of a gain.
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:43 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:
>> 
>>> There are over 4,000 antenna patterns, with the relative gain of the best
>>> ones up to 10dBi... the magic is though that the AP also uses the
> patterns
>>> they transmit on to receive on... so the gain is bi-directional instead
> of
>>> blasting the signal out but not having any mechanism in place for the
>> client
>>> to be heard.  The AP can also selectively put noise in up to a -15dBi
>>> null... which can be helpful.
>>> 
>>> I would be curious in what indoor environment there isn't multi-path :-)
>>> 
>>> Anyways, if you have doubts... Tom's Hardware (which is as unbiased as it
>>> gets) did some testing against Cisco and Aruba.  If you want to see the
>>> power of beamforming, I'd encourage you to read this article all the way
>>> through.  It gives a very detailed explanation of the magic behind
> Ruckus.
>>> 
>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/beamforming-wifi-ruckus,2390.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Daniel White
>>> 3-dB Networks
>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:26 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
>>> 
>>> Does Ruckus state their antenna gain anywhere? If their "beam forming"
>> gain
>>> isn't all that much higher than the competition's omni gain then the
>>> performance couldn't be all that much better unless there's noise or
> multi
>>> path issues.
>>> 
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>> On Nov 22, 2009, at 5:13 PM, 3-dB Networks wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Depends on your definition of economical :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Ruckus has meshing built in to all of their AP's... plus with the
> antenna
>>>> array built into these babies you can usually get by with deploying 1/2
>> as
>>>> many AP's... so it can end up costing less than a roll your own Mikrotik
>>>> system
>>>> 
>>>> Daniel White
>>>> 3-dB Networks
>>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 3:01 PM
>>>> To: wireless@wispa.org
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Indoor deployment question
>>>> 
>>>> I would prefer copper to link indoor APs. If that won't work due to
>> either
>>>> technical issues or the customer just plain doesn't want holes drilled,
>> is
>>>> WDS pretty much the only financially viable alternative that properly
>>>> bridges the network?  Could do a boat-load of PtP links, but that'd be
>>>> silly.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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