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On 12/4/09, rwf <ralphli...@bsrg.org> wrote: > You got that right! Very difficult to weatherproof once mounted on the > tower. Even if it's not on the tower it is difficult if the bottom mounting > "ear" is attached. > > Plus- they weather badly and look horrible after a year. > Plus- the 4 screws for the cover rust. > Plus- we don't see how, but the weatherproof gland that protects the RJ45 > socket on the bottom somehow allows water in. We will lose connectivity and > then go up the tower only to find the plug completely corroded in the jack. > Instant need to replace the radio. We have one dow right now that has half > a city's mesh network down, as it is a signal injection source point. > > > > Ralph > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:18 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure > > Those look like they have a lot of junk sticking out where you'd need to > weather proof connectors. > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure > > >> Does die cast aluminum count as metal in this case? Do you normally use >> steel if not? >> >> I use these: >> http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2&eq=&Tp= >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." >> --- Albert Einstein >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer >> <o...@odessaoffice.com>wrote: >> >>> I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all >>> radios >>> in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep >>> them >>> at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. >>> marlon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike" <m...@aweiowa.com> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM >>> Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure >>> >>> >>> > Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my >>> > messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. >>> > >>> > I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do >>> > have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been >>> > afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. >>> > >>> > The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to >>> > create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job >>> > of shielding if you attach the pigtail. >>> > >>> > How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an >>> > issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having >>> > multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? >>> > >>> > Mike >>> > >>> > >>> > At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: >>> >>Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the >>> >>box, >>> >>the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in >>> >>their >>> >>own >>> >>box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's to >>> >>a >>> >>central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. >>> That's >>> >>one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from someone >>> >>a >>> >>couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a >>> >>doing >>> >>nothing and some 411 cards "so why not play?" was my thinking. >>> >> >>> >>Bob- >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>-----Original Message----- >>> >>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> >>Behalf Of Mike >>> >>Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM >>> >>To: WISPA General List >>> >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>> >> >>> >>Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same >>> >>spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if >>> >>there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes >>> >>another one listening. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: >>> >> >Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to >>> push >>> >> >3 >>> >> >meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your >>> >> >customer >>> >>base. >>> >> > >>> >> >I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it into > >>> >> >2 >>> >> >180 >>> >> >degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few more >>> >> >customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you >>> just >>> >> >do >>> >> >2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you to >>> >> >where >>> >> >you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for >>> >> >more >>> >> >growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per >>> >>sector. >>> >> >I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I >>> only >>> >> >dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my >>> >> >remote >>> >> >AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The >>> >> >anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card >>> >> >as >>> >> >needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of >>> >> >course >>> >> >until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already >>> >> >suggested doing and I like the economics of it. >>> >> > >>> >> >Bob- >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >-----Original Message----- >>> >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> >> >Behalf Of Jason Hensley >>> >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM >>> >> >To: 'WISPA General List' >>> >> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>> >> > >>> >> >Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still able to >>> >> >get >>> >> >that, but we're seeing a decline on how many can pull 3meg. At peak >>> >> >times, >>> >> >we've seen it to where users aren't able to get much over 1meg, but >>> >> >that's >>> >> >not happening very often right now. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >-----Original Message----- >>> >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> >> >Behalf Of Robert West >>> >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:23 AM >>> >> >To: 'WISPA General List' >>> >> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>> >> > >>> >> >Yeah, how much bandwidth are you passing to those 35 customers, >>> >> >Jason? >>> >>Just >>> >> >curious. >>> >> > >>> >> >Bob- >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >-----Original Message----- >>> >> >From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On >>> >> >Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com >>> >> >Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 AM >>> >> >To: WISPA General List >>> >> >Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>> >> > >>> >> >Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack >>> >> >of >>> >> >horsepower on the AP's CPU? >>> >> > >>> >> >Greg >>> >> >On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > > On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual >>> AP's, >>> >> > > or >>> >> > > would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is >>> AP >>> >> > > overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've >>> >> > > seen a >>> >> > > performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs >>> >> > > multiple >>> >> >boards >>> >> > > with single radios? >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > -----Original Message----- >>> >> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> >> > > [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> ] >>> >> > > On >>> >> > > Behalf Of Rick Harnish >>> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM >>> >> > > To: 'WISPA General List' >>> >> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Mark, >>> >> > > >>> >> > > If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the >>> >>strength >>> >> >of >>> >> > > your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the >>> >> > > Indiana >>> >> > > farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is >>> >> > > not >>> >> > > that >>> >> > > high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had >>> >> > > good >>> >> >luck >>> >> > > with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing >>> >> > > clients >>> >>and >>> >> > > enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will >>> >> > > justify >>> >>3 >>> >> > > sectors, I would go that way though. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our >>> >>salesmen >>> >> >to >>> >> > > a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go >>> >> > > farther, >>> >>we >>> >> > > try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a >>> >> > > high >>> >> >density >>> >> > > of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are >>> >> > > well >>> >> > > established in our area and have most of these sites already in >>> >>operation. >>> >> > > Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site >>> density. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Rick Harnish >>> >> > > >>> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: >>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >> > >> On >>> >> > >> Behalf Of Mark McElvy >>> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM >>> >> > >> To: WISPA General List >>> >> > >> Subject: [WISPA] Sectors >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP >>> >> > >> to >>> >> > >> 32 >>> >> > >> subs. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: >>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >> > >> On >>> >> > >> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >>> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM >>> >> > >> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> >> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> What frequency band and polarization? >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the >>> >> > >> Omni >>> >> > >> to >>> >> > >> the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need >>> >> > >> to >>> >> > >> offload >>> >> > >> some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> Daniel White >>> >> > >> 3-dB Networks >>> >> > >> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: >>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >> > >> On >>> >> > >> Behalf Of Mark McElvy >>> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM >>> >> > >> To: WISPA General List >>> >> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> 9db >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> > >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: >>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >> > >> On >>> >> > >> Behalf Of Rick Harnish >>> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM >>> >> > >> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> >> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> What size omni are you using? >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >> > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>> >> > >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> >> > >> On >>> >> > >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> >> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM >>> >> > >>> To: WISPA General List >>> >> > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that >>> >> > >>> does >>> >> > >>> antenna design said so :) >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost >>> >> > >>> of >>> >> > >> the >>> >> > >>> extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy <mmce...@accubak.com> wrote: >>> >> > >>>> I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't >>> >> > >>>> really >>> >> > >>> want >>> >> > >>>> to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard >>> >> > >> they >>> >> > >>>> don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, >>> >> > >>>> any >>> >> > >>>> comments? >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > >>>> Mark >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > >>>> >>> >> > >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >> > >>> ----------- >>> >> > >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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