Looks like you found out that ice can make the perfect sealant. Kept all that water inside! Good find.
-----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure The link to the enclosures from below....reposted here: http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2&eq=&Tp= although I buy mine at another location. Those have not leaked, but I've seen plenty of water in my PAC DCE enclosures. Here is a nice pic of one on a particularly cold day last year. http://www.dot11net.com/pics/dce_water.html Cameron Josh Luthman wrote: > What are "these"? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." > --- Albert Einstein > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 2:51 PM, ccrum <cc...@dot11net.com> wrote: > > >> We use these for anything larger than a 532. We've had great success >> with them over the last couple years. Not one has leaked as far as I know. >> >> Cameron >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>> Those look like they have a lot of junk sticking out where you'd need to >>> weather proof connectors. >>> marlon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Does die cast aluminum count as metal in this case? Do you normally use >>>> steel if not? >>>> >>>> I use these: >>>> http://quicklinkwireless.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=DCE-H-LG-2&eq=&Tp= >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." >>>> --- Albert Einstein >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Marlon K. Schafer >>>> <o...@odessaoffice.com>wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I've given up on this. There is just too much cross talk. I put all >>>>> radios >>>>> in the same band in their own METAL enclosure nowadays. I try to keep >>>>> them >>>>> at least 3 or 6 feet apart too. Life is much much nicer. >>>>> marlon >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Mike" <m...@aweiowa.com> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:13 AM >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Multiple Radio cards in an enclosure >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Since I am probably one of the veterans called out yesterday for my >>>>>> messaging etiquette, I am changing the subject. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am interested in the multiple radios in an enclosure idea. I do >>>>>> have a couple with 5.8 and 2.4 gear in the same box, but have been >>>>>> afraid to put cards in the same band in the same case. >>>>>> >>>>>> The foil spacer you put between cards Bob, do you then ground it to >>>>>> create a sort of Faraday shield? I know the XRx cards do a good job >>>>>> of shielding if you attach the pigtail. >>>>>> >>>>>> How about the receive sensitivity on the 411 cards? Has that been an >>>>>> issue? I think the XR cards have better specs. Wouldn't having >>>>>> multiple 411 cards in the same box possibly have desense issues too? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At 09:41 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Forgot to add, if you're concerned with any RF collisions inside the >>>>>>> box, >>>>>>> the other thing I talked about earlier, having just 3 411 cards in >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> own >>>>>>> box at the sector then running Cat5 to transparent bridge the 411's >>>>>>> >> to >> >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> central RouterOS device would take any of that issue totally away. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> That's >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> one that I'm doing just to do it, basically. Was an idea from >>>>>>> >> someone >> >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> couple of months ago. (I actually listen to you guys) Had a 600a >>>>>>> doing >>>>>>> nothing and some 411 cards "so why not play?" was my thinking. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>> >> On >> >>>>>>> Behalf Of Mike >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:48 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you had any issues with putting 3 radio cards in the same >>>>>>> spectrum in the same box? I've thought about that but wondered if >>>>>>> there would be desense issues where one transmitting desensitizes >>>>>>> another one listening. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At 08:38 AM 12/2/2009, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yep, looks like you're hitting the wall. We aren't lucky enough to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> push >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>>> meg here, the most is usually 1 so again, all depends on your >>>>>>>> customer >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> base. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd say if you already have 35 on that one AP, just splitting it >>>>>>>> >> into >> >>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>> 180 >>>>>>>> degree sectors will just cost you cash as soon as you gain a few >>>>>>>> >> more >> >>>>>>>> customers. You already have 35 pulling it down, sounds like if you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> just >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> 2 180's, if split evenly (and it never will be) that would put you >>>>>>>> >> to >> >>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>> you probably want to be for smooth delivery but not much room for >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> growth. I'd go with 3 120's and a 433AH with 3 cards on it, one per >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> sector. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a few like that and it works fine for what I do but again, I >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> only >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> dole out 1mb per sub typically. I've also been upgrading some of my >>>>>>>> remote >>>>>>>> AP's to one 433AH with only one radio installed and an Omni. The >>>>>>>> anticipated upgrade path is to just add a sector or 2 and radio card >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> needed to the point where I have 3 sectors. Keeping the Omni of >>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>> until the third sector is needed. That's something someone already >>>>>>>> suggested doing and I like the economics of it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>> >> ] >> >>>>> On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jason Hensley >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:26 AM >>>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Max 3meg - b only mode on this particular AP. Most are still able >>>>>>>> >> to >> >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> that, but we're seeing a decline on how many can pull 3meg. At peak >>>>>>>> times, >>>>>>>> we've seen it to where users aren't able to get much over 1meg, but >>>>>>>> that's >>>>>>>> not happening very often right now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>> >> ] >> >>>>> On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Robert West >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:23 AM >>>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, how much bandwidth are you passing to those 35 customers, >>>>>>>> Jason? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> curious. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bob- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>> >> ] >> >>>>> On >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:10 AM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you think you're hitting the limit of 802.11b/g or is it the lack >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> horsepower on the AP's CPU? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Greg >>>>>>>> On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:33 AM, Jason Hensley wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On this same subject, would it be better to put up 3 individual >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> AP's, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> would something like the Deliberant Quad work well if the issue is >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> AP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> overload. I have an AP that has 35 subscribers right now. We've >>>>>>>>> seen a >>>>>>>>> performance drop on it and are considering sectoring. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on a dual (or quad) radio on a single board vs >>>>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> boards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> with single radios? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> ] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Rick Harnish >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:28 AM >>>>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If I remember right, you are in Missouri. I was looking for the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> strength >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> your omni. We have had good success with 9 db omni's in the >>>>>>>>> Indiana >>>>>>>>> farmland. When we need to sectorize but the market capacity is >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> high, we often go to (2) 180 Superpass 9 db sectors. We have had >>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> luck >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> with them over the years. They improve our signal to existing >>>>>>>>> clients >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> enable affordable expansion in rural areas. If the market will >>>>>>>>> justify >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> sectors, I would go that way though. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Many of our Wireless POPs are pico-cells and we try to limit our >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> salesmen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a 6 mile diameter around the tower. Although, we can often go >>>>>>>>> farther, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> try to stay inside these guidelines when possible. To achieve a >>>>>>>>> high >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> density >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> of broadcast stations, many locations are needed. Luckily, we are >>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>> established in our area and have most of these sites already in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> operation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your mileage may vary given your topology and broadcast site >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> density. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rick Harnish >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark McElvy >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:51 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am running 2.4 HPOL It has taken about 1.5 yrs to grow this AP >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> 32 >>>>>>>>>> subs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of 3-dB Networks >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:37 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What frequency band and polarization? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would also strongly consider your reasoning for moving from the >>>>>>>>>> Omni >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the sectors. If it is because your AP is overloaded so you need >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> offload >>>>>>>>>> some, 3 AP's might be attractive for future proofing sakes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Daniel White >>>>>>>>>> 3-dB Networks >>>>>>>>>> http://www.3dbnetworks.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark McElvy >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:29 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 9db >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Rick Harnish >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:42 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What size omni are you using? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:59 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Sectors >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That is the general suggestion - two 120s. That one guy that >>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>> antenna design said so :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You will get some less coverage then three 120s but at the cost >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> extra radio/antenna it isn't cost efficient. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/1/09, Mark McElvy <mmce...@accubak.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I need to sector a tower that currently is an omni. I don't >>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to go to 3x 120's but find it hard to find 180's and have heard >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> don't tend to work great. I have also heard 2x 120's will work, >>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>> comments? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----------- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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