No, I haven't. I'll check into that one, thanks! And agree, this all needs to stop.
Bob- -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... Love the sentiment and agree to it contents Robert...though really none of this belongs on the list any longer. BTW, have you read Taleb's "The Black Swan"? He is my new favorite philoshopher. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:56 AM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... No one should be offended by the truth. The truth, in itself, in incapable of being offensive it is only the receiver of the truth who makes it so. Sorry, part time philosopher here. That and a lot of drugs in college. -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 12:10 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... Being in South Florida, a lot of Folks get offended with anything to do with Cuba... How about a compromise.... Mexico any one ? ..Take a look at John Stewart's report http://www.thedailyshow.com/ Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... Wow...speechless. I suggest you visit Cuba for all your health care needs. You won't and you know it. Brad -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... Actually, most of the advancement now is coming from other countries. We're behind but since we live in it, we can't smell it. We rank near number 37 in health care, that certainly is not being a leader. Even our friend, Cuba ranks higher than we do. Shameful for a country as well off as we are. -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... With no profit we would have no advancement. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert West" <robert.w...@just-micro.com> To: "'Tom Sharples'" <tsharp...@qorvus.com>; "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... > Exactly. We are the one and only industrialized country (with > whatever industry we might have left) who puts "profit" in healthcare. > As you stated, their goal is to NOT pay and they can and do come up > with anything they can find to do that. > > Profit has no place in healthcare. Single payer is the only thing I > see working. As far as increased taxes to pay for it, we already are > paying for it and getting zero bang for our buck. As George from the > great white north said, healthcare shows up nowhere in his budget. > They just pay extra in taxes. > > Medicare for all. End of the controversy. Simple. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Tom Sharples > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:24 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... > > One of the basic probems IMO is that the whole idea of medical > insurance, as > > currentlky implemented, is fundamentally flawed. Consider selling ISP > services under the model of "broadband insurance." Under that model, > your customer would pay you a certain amount per month in case he > needs broadband, and you would do your best to find reasons to deny him access. > Or > > how about "housing insurance" instead of monthly rent. You pay the > landlord a certain amount every month in case you need shelter and he > oversubscribes a number of his units and hires guards to keep people > out on various pretexts. Sound completely ridiculous, yet unless > you're in an HMO like Kaiser that's the system we have now. > > What we need is universal (private or public) access to medical care, > healthy lifestyle incentives, and the elimination of stupid laws that > only serve to increase the costs of medical care and prescription > drugs to US consumers, restrict free-market access across state and > international lines,create incentives toward excess consumption and > CYA medical pratices, and only serve to increase the costs of medical > care and prescription drugs to US consumers. > > Tom S. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance.... > > >> Someone posted earlier that the health insurance industry is not >> truly run in a "free market". It's "failure" is exactly due to this. >> Even after all the government rules and regulations, who in the USA >> does not have "access" >> to health care? >> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:58 PM, David E. Smith <d...@mvn.net> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 16:42, MDK <rea...@muddyfrogwater.us> wrote: >>> >>> > The free market really does work. We use it daily in our business... >>> > Now >>> >>> imagine if we used it for health care, too. We know how to do that, >>> don't >>> > we? >>> >>> >>> There is a fundamental difference between broadband Internet and >>> basic medical care, and the fact that tens of millions of Americans >>> have better access to the former than the latter shows that in this >>> instance the free market has failed miserably. >>> >>> David Smith >>> MVN.net >>> >>> >>> >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > ---- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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