Brad, I do not mean to argue against your points just for the sake of it, but I honestly disagree with your assessment.
On Cat5... Trango APEX uses Conex passthrus the same type that Dragonwave uses for their radios. There is a reason high grade radio manufacturers pick thems, they are quality. It is the cream of the crop, period. We've used them all. Dont hold me to this, but I think Conex makes different size passthrue holes for their various caps, and I think the caps are interchangable with the same base units. But I would need to double check that, you might want to explore that possibilty. The Conex passthrues are available through third parties cost effectively. But the fact is, a Passthrue rubber seal hole can NOT be made and proper sized for BOTH thickest and thinnest cable. Its one or the other, and best that it is made for the type cable most commonly used. Especially if there is an option to buy seperately the odd size passthru that you might need. Fiber base plate... Why in the world does it matter what it looks like? The radio is either located on a commerical roof top or 200ft up a tower. It looking like pipe conduit does absolutely no harm. I agree the same Fiber slot metal plate passthru when used on th TLink45 for Cat5, the hole is to small, and wish it was drilled out larger. But on the APEX, the hole is the right size for Fiber cable. And the Conex passthrues are the right size for many CAT5.. > Additionally, Trango placed one of the copper Ethernet ports on the side > of > the radio rather than on the bottom. This can make for a difficult if not > impossible connection to service as the cable has to make a sharp 90* turn > before hitting the mounting pipe. Hopefully the next generation Apex > radios > will have better weatherized ports and have all of them placed in > accessible > locations. Once again, FUD. The Trango Apex as well as any other Manufacturer's ODU, has the option to turn 90 degrees to change polarities. In that circumstance, IF a connector was on the bottom standard, it would no longer be if turned 90 degrees to the alternate polarity. In Trangos design it guarantees that atleast one of the two connectors is in a downward posiiton, which is better than the alternative of none in the downward position. Lets compare it to Dragonwave.... Dragonwave's pertude outward from the back, equivellent to ALWAYS being horizontal or from the side. As well, pertruding out in that direction can cause them to bump into back walls or poles behind radio, if aligning at a sharp angle from behind's surface. My point here is that Trango's choice of CAT5 placement is better than the competitors. I'm not aware of any Manufacturer that came up with better placement. PS, I do not mean to attack Dragonwave, its just that Dragonwave is one of the other radios we frequently use, and it was clear in my mind where the CAT5 positioning was, so easy example to compare. Dragonwave's positioning is also exceptable because the Conex Cat5 passthru is weathertight at Horizontal placement. But my point is, Trango's placement is NOT inferior in design. I will admit, that if BRad needs a solution to accommodate a thicker cable, then that is something that he needs a solution for. But that does not mean Trango's design was wrong or bad. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port > This throwback port design from the "Trango Summer Engineer Interns" Atlas > days is crap. Nothing like the professional look of a galvanized water > pipe > cap on a carrier class radio. The split rubber gland that is under this > metal plate/water pipe cap is poor as well. I'm glad you've been lucky > with > your results, but inspecting these old style "weather proof" ports after a > period of time always reveals some water and dust penetration. > > It's a hack design...for all the good Trango does for our industry don't > try > and defend their short comings. It diminishes your objective credibility. > Instead point them out and hopefully Trango will take note on the next > generation design. > > The Apex copper Ethernet ports are far from "the best type in the > industry." > Clearly your exposure to quality weatherized Ethernet ports has been > limited. While the Apex copper Ethernet ports are far better than the > fiber > port they are too small to pass a heavy jacketed, outdoor armored jacket. > So, the result is striping back the armored outer jacket and using > Coax-Seal > from the compression ring to the outer jacket. It seems Trango opted to > cater to those that prefer to run small diameter Home Depot CAT5 rather > than > a higher quality far more durable armored CAT5. > > Additionally, Trango placed one of the copper Ethernet ports on the side > of > the radio rather than on the bottom. This can make for a difficult if not > impossible connection to service as the cable has to make a sharp 90* turn > before hitting the mounting pipe. Hopefully the next generation Apex > radios > will have better weatherized ports and have all of them placed in > accessible > locations. > > Best, > > > Brad > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port > >> I agree the execution of this port is >> poor at best. > > Not at all the case. Compared to other brand radios, the Apex is one of > the > few that actually has an easilly accessible Fiber port. Both for replacing > bad Transcievers and for connecting the fiber ends. > This is a PLUS, not a disadvantage. The Fiber connector ends are designed > to > > clip and adequately hold the Fiber ends in place. Fiber cable does not get > damaged by water like a coax jack, and it just does not need the same > precautions. > > If the fiber is NOT in flex conduit, then teh fiber should be tied of > within > > a reasonable distance, which is easy enough. > >> I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as >> they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we >> run. > > Sounds like you are using the wrong type of cable, then > The CAT5 pass-thru jacks are of the best type in the industry. I'm glad > they > > decided to use the best. > If the Rubber are to thin, you can drill it by freeezing it, and then > drilling. > But we use direct buriel Superior Essex cable that fits perfectly. > (Thicker mohawk wont fit). > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Belton" <b...@belwave.com> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port > > >> Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable >> runs, >> so haven't used the fiber port yet. I agree the execution of this port >> is >> poor at best. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either >> as >> they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we >> run. >> >> I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to >> a >> NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point. We've >> done >> this with our BridgeWave installations. >> >> I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing. >> >> Best, >> >> >> Brad >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Randy Cosby >> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port >> >> Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to >> seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / >> power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the >> base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting >> on the end? Use flex? Just curious. >> >> I used a threaded metal 3/4" sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango >> AP compression fitting. It's a little heavy though, and I worry about >> the little screws that hold the 3/4" threaded base plate getting >> stripped out. >> >> -- >> Randy Cosby >> Vice President >> InfoWest, Inc >> >> 435-674-0165 x 2010 >> >> http://www.infowest.com/ >> >> "Letting off steam always produces more heat than light." - Neal A. >> Maxwell >> >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> WISPA Wants You! 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