<chuckle> Well, for what it's worth I hope *you* are right and *I* am wrong ;-). Damn I hate betting against the outcome I _want_ to see!
Chuck On Mar 13, 2010, at 11:37 AM, RickG wrote: > Chuck, > > You're perceptive on the reasons I didnt "hear" of it, I probably just > didnt pay attention as it didnt seem to apply or it just got lost in > all the topics. > > As I've mentioned before, I did "pay by the bit" back in '98 when I > was GM at a small cable co. I only imposed it on bandwidth hogs and it > worked well. The reason I havent switched to it with this company is > that so far its not worth the hassle. > > With that said, I'll see your prediction and raise you:) > TCP/IP will eventually be the only pipe for all communications. Once > that happens, the cable co will utilize their billing model for > television. It may not be bill by the bit but they will certainly > charge a premium for advanced services. > > -RickG > > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Bartosch > <ch...@clarityconnect.com> wrote: >> >> On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:20 PM, RickG wrote: >> >>> Actually, yes, this is the first I've heard about it. Obviously, I'm >>> not a sports fan :) >> >> I was initially surprised you hadn't heard of it before too because you're >> pretty active on list and it's been discussed numerous times and in detail >> over the past 15 months but maybe it was on another list (the WISPA members >> list?). Or, like the Form 477 discussions a few years ago that I personally >> skipped over for a long time, maybe it was just an ignored thread topic >> (given our propensity to not start new threads for new topics, that wouldn't >> be surprising). Most of us heard of it either due to customer complaints or >> because of the list discussion. >> >> For what it's worth, I honestly don't think the industry will ever move >> en-mass to a pay-by-the-bit model. True, it makes the most sense from an >> operator standpoint, but it's just too easy to get undercut by a competitor >> who doesn't do it, the big companies that would have to do it first for it >> to go mainstream invariably chicken out too quickly or mess it up by doing >> it in a high-handed fashion that pisses everyone off, or politicians will >> get involved to defeat the model. That's *my* prediction. >> >> Chuck >> >>> I've never had a customer request. I've have mixed feelings about >>> this. Coming from the cable world, I was used to paying providers for >>> channel content. The difference was, we didnt have to pay for >>> bandwidth. Now, everyone wants to ride the bandwidth that we pay for >>> to get to our customer. Maybe big bad ESPN should pay us? >>> .05/sub/month doesnt sound like much but it adds up real fast. Worse >>> yet, you still pay even though not everyone wants or needs it. Oh, and >>> just what we need, another paper to fill out. >>> I've been predicting since '97 that we'll have to charge the billing >>> model to charge by the bit and that day is getting closer each time >>> things like this occur. >>> -RickG >>> BTW: I did dial-up back in '93 and never paid for a TCP/IP stack or >>> the Browser :) >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tim Sylvester <t...@avanzarnetworks.com> >>> wrote: >>>> I'm confused by this message. Are you saying you just heard of ESPN360? It >>>> has been around since 2007. >>>> >>>> How much do you think big bad ESPN charges for ESPN360? I have seen >>>> estimates between $0.05/sub/month to $0.25/sub/month. As far as I can tell, >>>> any ISP can contact ESPN and sign-up to offer ESPN360 to their subscribers. >>>> Here's a link to the current list of ISPs offering ESPN360: >>>> http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/affList. The list of providers ranges >>>> from ATT and Verizon each with over 10M subs. Down to the Spencer Iowa >>>> Municipal Utilities and Spruce Knob Seneca Rocks Telephone, each with a few >>>> thousand subs. >>>> >>>> The list includes cable, DSL and FTTH ISPs. The only thing that might >>>> prevent a WISP from offering ESPN360 is bandwidth. >>>> >>>> ESPN360 is just an add-on service that an ISP can bundle with their service >>>> offerings to customers. Think of it like offering e-mail accounts or web >>>> sites. In the mid 90s, ISPs had to pay to provide a TCP/IP stack and a web >>>> browser to their customers. >>>> >>>> If the WISPA members think ESPN360 would be a useful to offer their >>>> customers, have someone contact ESPN to see if you can negotiate an ESPN360 >>>> contract for all WISPA members. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>>> Behalf Of RickG >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 10:57 AM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] here it come$ >>>>> >>>>> The television content providers are going to bill ISP's? >>>>> Try using ESPN Live 360 and see what it tells you. >>>>> -RickG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> --------- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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