If I go out and shoot a deer, I "took" it's life (and it's meat ;-). If I give you some, I'm giving you some, whether or not I took it from someone else. If you're my kid and I give you bread, I'm giving it to you whether or not I paid for it or I broke into a store and stole it.
Chuck On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:55 PM, RickG wrote: > websters.com > –give (used with object) > 1.to present voluntarily and without expecting compensation; bestow: > to give a birthday present to someone. > > The government cant "give" anything because they get the money to pay > for such things from us, the US taxpayer. They simply take and > transfer ownership. > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com> wrote: >> Chuck, >> >> Thanks. You just reminded me that the government gave us the Internet too. >> From Wikipedia - >> >> The origins of the Internet reach back to the 1960s when the United States >> funded research projects of its military agencies to build robust, >> fault-tolerant and distributed computer networks. This research and a period >> of civilian funding of a new U.S. backbone by the National Science >> Foundation spawned worldwide participation in the development of new >> networking technologies and led to the commercialization of an international >> network in the mid 1990s, and resulted in the following popularization of >> countless applications in virtually every aspect of modern human life. As of >> 2009, an estimated quarter of Earth's population uses the services of the >> Internet. >> >> jack >> >> >> Chuck Bartosch wrote: >> >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:27 AM, MDK wrote: >> >> >> >> Government "Gave" me my life? Really? >> >> Telephone? Until we got the government out of it, it was horrendously >> expensive and advanced none at all. >> >> >> That isn't really true Mark. Before the government got involved you had >> multiple non-interworking telephone systems. I remember my grandfather >> telling me when I was young that people had to have a "red telephone" and a >> "blue telephone" in Minneapolis where we grew up for the two phone companies >> if you wanted to be able to call everyone with a phone. Talk about >> horrendously expensive (and not just in cost, but in time). Government >> forced a monopoly situation that for many many decades worked to our >> advantage. Eventually that was broken up when it no longer served the >> public's interest. >> >> I also remember that friends who travelled around the world coming back >> always commenting about how much more advanced and how much more reliable >> our telecom systems were than anyone else's. >> >> And no advances? Geeze, when I was a kid everyone I knew had party lines. >> Not long before that you had operators connecting calls. There were a LOT of >> advances given the core technology that was available. >> >> It is hard to see just what kind of other advances you could have had in the >> 30's, 40's, 50's and early 60's. The internet wasn't possible back then >> because home computers didn't exist and the protocols that allowed it to >> emerge didn't exist. >> >> It wasn't until the later 60's that transistors really became viable and >> allowed a lot of the dynamic advances that breaking the monopoly enabled. >> Yes, it took a decade or two to undo the the regulatory environment that by >> that point WAS holding back progress, but I respectfully submit that doing >> it decades earlier than that would have had no particular beneficial effect >> and the original intervention was hugely beneficial. >> >> Reflexively painting everything government does as bad is simplistic though >> has the benefit that it doesn't take a lot of thought. But it's a disservice >> to your own arguments and restricts your ability to influence debate and the >> position of others. It might be more useful to take a more balanced view >> that more accurately reflects reality. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> >> Now, we have services that WERE NOT >> EVEN CONCEIVABLE to me the year I got married. We've come that far since >> then. >> >> Copper to my house? Obsolete. >> >> Long distance? I haven't paid that in years. All it took was someone >> with a big enough club to force government to undo what it did "for" us. >> It could be so cheap and so competitive the cost would be trivial, but no, >> the pointy headed trolls in DC have to "give" us stuff. >> >> You know what? I lived for years far beyond the end of the power and phone >> lines. Guess what? No big loss. If we'd not subsidized bad ideas for >> so long, real innovation would have started LONG LONG LONG ago, to solve >> problems with real solutions, instead of cementing the past into stone with >> "good intentions". >> >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Philip Dorr" <wirel...@judgementgaming.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:02 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE >> >> >> >> Your life? Telephone? Rural Utilities? >> >> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Glenn Kelley <gl...@hostmedic.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has >> not first taken? >> >> funny I keep asking - but never given an answer. >> >> >> Im with you MDK >> >> >> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote: >> >> >> >> The really big wave of mass stupidity. >> >> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's >> fingers on >> ANYTHING. There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more >> expensive, >> cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who >> know >> absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge.... Washington DC. >> >> Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that >> is not >> a disaster of Biblical proportions. You can't. 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