My point was "without expecting compensation". As far as your point: many thieves tell that story to the judge! "I didnt know it was stolen!"
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Chuck Bartosch <ch...@clarityconnect.com> wrote: > If I go out and shoot a deer, I "took" it's life (and it's meat ;-). If I > give you some, I'm giving you some, whether or not I took it from someone > else. If you're my kid and I give you bread, I'm giving it to you whether or > not I paid for it or I broke into a store and stole it. > > Chuck > > On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:55 PM, RickG wrote: > >> websters.com >> –give (used with object) >> 1.to present voluntarily and without expecting compensation; bestow: >> to give a birthday present to someone. >> >> The government cant "give" anything because they get the money to pay >> for such things from us, the US taxpayer. They simply take and >> transfer ownership. >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Jack Unger <jun...@ask-wi.com> wrote: >>> Chuck, >>> >>> Thanks. You just reminded me that the government gave us the Internet too. >>> From Wikipedia - >>> >>> The origins of the Internet reach back to the 1960s when the United States >>> funded research projects of its military agencies to build robust, >>> fault-tolerant and distributed computer networks. This research and a period >>> of civilian funding of a new U.S. backbone by the National Science >>> Foundation spawned worldwide participation in the development of new >>> networking technologies and led to the commercialization of an international >>> network in the mid 1990s, and resulted in the following popularization of >>> countless applications in virtually every aspect of modern human life. As of >>> 2009, an estimated quarter of Earth's population uses the services of the >>> Internet. >>> >>> jack >>> >>> >>> Chuck Bartosch wrote: >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 2:27 AM, MDK wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Government "Gave" me my life? Really? >>> >>> Telephone? Until we got the government out of it, it was horrendously >>> expensive and advanced none at all. >>> >>> >>> That isn't really true Mark. Before the government got involved you had >>> multiple non-interworking telephone systems. I remember my grandfather >>> telling me when I was young that people had to have a "red telephone" and a >>> "blue telephone" in Minneapolis where we grew up for the two phone companies >>> if you wanted to be able to call everyone with a phone. Talk about >>> horrendously expensive (and not just in cost, but in time). Government >>> forced a monopoly situation that for many many decades worked to our >>> advantage. Eventually that was broken up when it no longer served the >>> public's interest. >>> >>> I also remember that friends who travelled around the world coming back >>> always commenting about how much more advanced and how much more reliable >>> our telecom systems were than anyone else's. >>> >>> And no advances? Geeze, when I was a kid everyone I knew had party lines. >>> Not long before that you had operators connecting calls. There were a LOT of >>> advances given the core technology that was available. >>> >>> It is hard to see just what kind of other advances you could have had in the >>> 30's, 40's, 50's and early 60's. The internet wasn't possible back then >>> because home computers didn't exist and the protocols that allowed it to >>> emerge didn't exist. >>> >>> It wasn't until the later 60's that transistors really became viable and >>> allowed a lot of the dynamic advances that breaking the monopoly enabled. >>> Yes, it took a decade or two to undo the the regulatory environment that by >>> that point WAS holding back progress, but I respectfully submit that doing >>> it decades earlier than that would have had no particular beneficial effect >>> and the original intervention was hugely beneficial. >>> >>> Reflexively painting everything government does as bad is simplistic though >>> has the benefit that it doesn't take a lot of thought. But it's a disservice >>> to your own arguments and restricts your ability to influence debate and the >>> position of others. It might be more useful to take a more balanced view >>> that more accurately reflects reality. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, we have services that WERE NOT >>> EVEN CONCEIVABLE to me the year I got married. We've come that far since >>> then. >>> >>> Copper to my house? Obsolete. >>> >>> Long distance? I haven't paid that in years. All it took was someone >>> with a big enough club to force government to undo what it did "for" us. >>> It could be so cheap and so competitive the cost would be trivial, but no, >>> the pointy headed trolls in DC have to "give" us stuff. >>> >>> You know what? I lived for years far beyond the end of the power and phone >>> lines. Guess what? No big loss. If we'd not subsidized bad ideas for >>> so long, real innovation would have started LONG LONG LONG ago, to solve >>> problems with real solutions, instead of cementing the past into stone with >>> "good intentions". >>> >>> >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Philip Dorr" <wirel...@judgementgaming.com> >>> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:02 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE >>> >>> >>> >>> Your life? Telephone? Rural Utilities? >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Glenn Kelley <gl...@hostmedic.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> can you name me one thing that the government has given that it has >>> not first taken? >>> >>> funny I keep asking - but never given an answer. >>> >>> >>> Im with you MDK >>> >>> >>> On Mar 16, 2010, at 1:20 AM, MDK wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> The really big wave of mass stupidity. >>> >>> I can't imagine how ANYONE would want Congress's or the FCC's >>> fingers on >>> ANYTHING. There is only ONE way to ensure that things get more >>> expensive, >>> cost us terribly, and work worse... and that's to put the people who >>> know >>> absolutely NOTHING about real life in charge.... Washington DC. >>> >>> Please name for me anything that Washington DC has done for us, that >>> is not >>> a disaster of Biblical proportions. You can't. Absolutely >>> everything >>> they try to do "for" us is so horrible it's beyond insane. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Jack Unger" <jun...@ask-wi.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 9:26 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>; <memb...@wispa.org> >>> Subject: [WISPA] Here comes the really BIG WAVE >>> >>> >>> >>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/business/media/13fcc.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1268486085-Jt93CAOuKUSJEQR/ZmVkzg >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. >>> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing >>> Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities >>> since >>> 1993 >>> www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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