Apples to oranges. If you don't care about QoS and are happy with a best
effort service offering with limited ability to do things like voice and
video, the .11 stuff is fine. I appreciate it fits the needs of many
WISPs. Just don't make the mistake in thinking that what works for you
is best for everyone. 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jayson Baker
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal

Why would you use this in rural deployment, as opposed to something like
a cheaper UBNT MIMO system, which will give you better penetration?

On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Patrick Leary <ple...@apertonet.com>
wrote:

> Indeed MIMO does help through trees according to people I trust, but 
> again we default to the "but at what cost" question. We believe this 
> to be especially true in more rural deployments.
>
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
> On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:52 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
>
> Subchannelization should help penetration a little also.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Matt <lm7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Do you support PPPoE in the SM?  Heard that MIMO helps tree 
> > penetration.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >> Yes, but you won't pay $200 for their CPE complete and our base 
> >> station costs are less or similar and we are getting much better 
> >> uplink speed according to what I have seen so far from reports 
> >> about the Moto 320 so far.
> >>
> >>
> >> Patrick Leary
> >> Aperto Networks
> >> 813.426.4230 mobile
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
> >> boun...@wispa.org]
>
> >> On Behalf Of Jeremie Chism
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:30 AM
> >> To: WISPA General List
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 GHz WiMAX deal
> >>
> >> I think the new motorola is mimo.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Mar 18, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Matt <lm7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> We don't know about you, but we at California-based Aperto 
> >>>> Networks
>
> >>>> are tired of waiting for stimulus dollars to trickle into the 
> >>>> WISP business, so we are taking matters into our own hands. So 
> >>>> Aperto Networks -- the
> >>>> 802.16 pioneer and WiMAX leader -- is excited to offer the 3.65 
> >>>> and
>
> >>>> 5
> >>
> >>>> GHz carrier class and commercial grade (not the residential CPE) 
> >>>> PM320 PacketMAX CPE for only $199 each to the WISP. Effective 
> >>>> immediately, the price applies to all N type CPE in either band 
> >>>> and
> >>>> 17 dbi integrated
> >>>> (3.65 GHz) and 20 dBi (5 GHz). 5 GHz with integrated 21 dBi and
> >>>> 3.65 GHz
> >>>> with integrated 20 dBi are $220 to the WISP. There are no packs 
> >>>> and
>
> >>>> no minimum quantities to get this price -- buy even just one, 
> >>>> same price.
> >>>
> >>> Is there 3.65 stuff MIMO?
> >>>
> >>> Matt
> >
> >
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