So, do you turn off UPnP or not?

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Greg Ihnen <os10ru...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've heard (I think it was on a Security Now podcast) that UPnP opens up big 
> security hole for the end user (your customers) because there are trojans 
> that use UPnP to poke a hole in the router and then it phones home with the 
> IP address and port it opened. If that compromised machine starts running 
> amok on your network then it would be a problem for you.
>
> Greg
>
> On Aug 2, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>
>> Man that sucks.  We turn off upnp on ALL routers.  I've always been told
>> that it's a big security hole.
>>
>> Thoughts on that?
>> marlon
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 7:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
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>>
>> I don't seem to have any issues with double or triple NAT.
>>
>> When I was working with MT to fix the upnp issue with Xboxes. I have
>> it marked as 4.6 with modifications (it was an unofficial 4.6 they
>> gave me) so I would say 4.7 or higher should enable Xbox upnp.  Even
>> this requires a public IP on the Mikrotik to remove even nice strict
>> (I think it's called open?).
>>
>> Josh Luthman
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>> On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <k...@wavelinc.com> wrote:
>>> So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you
>>> about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being
>>> behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other
>>> servers.
>>> From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play
>>> (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing
>>> masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that
>>> device?
>>> Or should I just issue public IP’s to the customer that games and let them
>>> worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then
>>> do
>>> a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does
>>> that
>>> not work because of the double-NAT?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> WAVELINC
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
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>>> www.wavelinc.com
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