Lack of experience.  We've all been there.  Big learning curve, I've had
those moments in the beginning.  That's when if something worked, it was
MAGIC!  :)

Bob-


-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.

I was referring to .... What would make one think that two radios, with 
a 16dbi antennas would work well and stable on a 14 mile link using 
allowable power in 5.X ghz or even 2.4 ghz ?

Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


On 8/31/2010 1:43 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
> I know.
>
> I had trazeo FDD radios that other guys had prepared and 'tested.' Their
> testing was putting them back to back.  Like that, even with the wrong
> channel shields they connected.  I was already suspicious about them not
> working, so I put up the NS5's as a backup plan, put their power all the
> way down, and set channel width to 5Mhz.  When I got to the other side
> and I could not link with the FDD's, I logged in through someone else's
> connection to the Nano at the other side and changed both side's
> settings till they came up.  It was awesome to at least link, but it was
> not stable enough to keep them up.  I'd say the link was up about 90% of
> the time.
>
>
> This brings me to another question.  Do radios get damage by not having
> an antenna connected when powering up?  Say just to configure them.
>
>
>
> On 08/30/2010 10:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Please do not take this as a personal jab...
>>
>> If one does not do their homework on link calculation , and size the
>> equipment properly... What makes one think that they should be
>> successful with the Link ?
>>
>> And on top of that what give one the right to 'Dismiss' the whole Mfg's
>> product line for such results...
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&  Telecom
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2010 12:17 AM, Mark Dueck wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, mine was with integrated 16dbi antenna.  It was not my plan to use
>>> them, but the other radios did not come up, so had to resort to the
>>> NS5.. I know don't even remember if they were M's or not.
>>>
>>> On 08/30/2010 10:06 PM, Jason Bailey wrote:
>>>
>>>> 14 mile link,bullet m5 w/pac 28db grids,,,,,,,,40+each way,for months.
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Tue, 8/31/10, Mark Dueck /<m...@netking.bz>/* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      From: Mark Dueck<m...@netking.bz>
>>>>      Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>>>>      To: wireless@wispa.org
>>>>      Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 12:02 AM
>>>>
>>>>      I can tell you not more than 14 miles because I did a 14mile link
>>>>      with these for 3 weeks. It was better than no link, but they were
>>>>      not stable. I was getting about 512k throughput.
>>>>
>>>>      On 08/30/2010 09:24 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>      Distance?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>      - Jerry
>>>>
>>>>      *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>
<http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
>>>>      [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>
<http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org>]
>>>>      *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>>>      *Sent:* Monday, August 30, 2010 8:16 PM
>>>>      *To:* WISPA General List
>>>>      *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25 miles.
>>>>
>>>>      I have NSM5 that do 150 megs aggregate right now.
>>>>
>>>>          On Aug 30, 2010 11:09 PM, "MDK"<rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
>>>>
<http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rea...@muddyfrogwater.us>>
>>>>          wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          I've already got UBNT stuff in production, and I know without
>>>>          a doubt it
>>>>          won't handle 100m full duplex - especially at 25 miles.
>>>>
>>>>          Might be possible to do parallel links or something, but that
>>>>          would require
>>>>          some kind of load failover system at each end, since no way
>>>>          will it do 100 m
>>>>          one way, if there's any backward traffic.
>>>>
>>>>          What Proxim stuff?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>          Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>>>          541-969-8200 509-386-4589
>>>>          +++++...
>>>>
>>>>          From: "Josh Luthman"<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>>>>
<http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>>>>          Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:22 PM
>>>>
>>>>          To: "WISPA General List"<wireless@wispa.org
>>>>
<http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org>>
>>>>          Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions for high bandwidth @ 25
miles.
>>>>          >  Proxim, Ubiquiti M...
>>>>          >
>>>>          >  Josh Luthman
>>>>          >  Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>          >  Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>          >  1100 Wayne ...
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