All this bickering reminds me why I have NOT joined WISPA yet. Do not get me
wrong, I DO agree with the bickering going on from KY and OH about Connect
"whatever state inserted here"! Same as what is happening in TN!
In my own opinion, WISPA is trying to play Big boy, with a front for big boy!
I have been on the general list for a long time following the steps that WISPA
has taken. IN the last few years, my perception is they want to BOW DOWN to the
FCC on issues that the Big Boys decide on most issues. They are playing second
fiddle to what most of us actually want. We want someone to standup at the FCC
and say, "HEY, there are other ISP's besides cable and telephone co's! We are
serving as much or more of the digitally divided ppl than the telco's are cable
co's ever thought about!
Of course we can all pay our $250 or whatever to WISPA and it will all go to
Steve Coran! He loves us all for fighting this. The bigger fight, the more he
gets paid, whether we win or not. How about funding the Steve that used to be a
WISP and later became a lawyer. He knows what we are and what we stand for?
Side step from my bitching about WISPA, I am tired of competing against money
that you, I, and everyone else in the USA has paid in on taxes. Just take a
look at my area and what I have to compete against, .... I could give WISPA
$100,000 and probably still not survive!
Twin Lakes Telephone Cooperative... got a total of $36 million in BIP/BTOP
funding for FTTH, North Central Telephone Cooperative...gota total of $50
million for FTTH in many areas that we were already covering and they were
covering with FTTH. Windstream in KY got a total of $26 million to expand their
coverage to everyone else outside of the city limits,
What it comes down too, is how much a$$ you can kiss, and how much you can
afford to pay! I may join Wispa tomorrow just in case they can take my $250 and
do something useful in my favor for once? It is typical politics, the ones that
can pay the most, get their way. Why do you think the go has auctioned off the
good freq that most of us COULD have competed against the BIG guys, but could
not afford?
Yea, classify me the same a bedfast, I am at that point, prove me different,
and I will join him in a counter!
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Hogg
To: WISPA General List
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Connected Nation Rules
I didn't say that, but it is well known.
Second, Connect Kentucky came to me and asked us to be a partner to Connect
Kentucky. I said sure, send over the paperwork. It was a minimum $10k to be
listed on the associates part. $50k to be a partner. Do they honestly think I
can afford either? Guess who was partners? HughesNet, WildBlue, Bellsouth
(AT&T), Time Warner, Windstream, Insight... so when a customer in my area
called them to see about access, even though I fully cooperated with CK, went
to EVERY meeting, provided them with full mapping data and showed them how to
use Radio Mobile, they referred them to HughesNet or WildBlue. They knew I had
that area covered, it was very blatant, but because I didn't pay them the
money, they referred them to an inferior product, satellite service. They were
provided with MILLIONS!!! to do mapping for Kentucky. The maps they did were
immediately removed and taken offline as soon as their funding ran out. It was
done in spite of the Kentucky Government. The TAX PAYERS OWN THAT DATA, and
they stole it from us all. Guess what happened another year later? Another
company was hired to do THAT EXACT SAME MAPPING again, and yes, they got
MILLIONS again.
I tried MULTIPLE times to work with them, and MANY MANY MANY open ended
promised were made by them.
None of this is opinion, it's all FACT. Ask MANY MANY MANY people around the
US that are under a Connect program. Most will show their displeasure.
Regards,
Chuck
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 2:41 PM, David Hannum <oujas...@gmail.com> wrote:
Chuck said: "It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for
the Bells."
I would agree with that it is a well known "opinion" by many on this list.
However, from what we've seen, they lobby as much, if not more, for independent
companies like most of us are. They lobby for Broadband in general - they
don't play favorites at the high level. However, they have some very
knowledgible, dedicated wireless guys. And if you work very much with them,
you'd see that wireles is all those guys are about.
Dave Hannum
New Era Broadband, LLC
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Fred Goldstein <fgoldst...@ionary.com>
wrote:
At 1/15/2011 08:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>You know at the time I saw the email, I was surprised. However,
>nobody on this list knows about the joke of a deal CN is like Rick and
>I do. After the millions of dollars in tax revenue and all this
>mapping, that public information was removed from their website.
>Millions of tax paying dollars down the drain. Because of the
>potential WISPA problems, I won't tell you how I really feel.
I'm not a member (yet) so take that as a disclaimer. This is the
public forum, not official correspondence.
It is well known that CN is a marketing and lobbying front for the
Bells. Bob's satire was harmless, reflective of their value to
independent ISPs, wireless and otherwise. If CN is whinging, let
them, because it hit home.
Bob's contributions have at times been a high point of this
list. Not everything has to be somber.
>On Saturday, January 15, 2011, Josh Luthman
><j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> > The problem was the lack of maturity and how bad the content
> makes WISPA look.
> > We have our opinions. We are people. But we, as adults and
> businesses or representatives, need too display a level of advancement.
--
Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/
+1 617 795 2701
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