I believe more than half will pay the $500 year two which would more than cover any losses due to the year 2 increase.
Now is it advantageous to have more members even if they don't want to pay more? If we lose 25%, but have more fees overall, is that going to hurt our power in numbers? Dylan From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) But if the first year was $250 and they could either a) see the value and pay more or b) not see the value and get out it makes sense to me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Jon Auer <j...@tapodi.net> wrote: And would turn off more people than simply doubling the membership fee from $250 to $500... On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: > > That does add overhead... > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: >> >> I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly. >> 1-500 base rate >> 500-1000 +100 >> 1000-2000 +250 >> etc. >> Regards, >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >>> $250 first year >>> >>> $500 second+ year >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if more money was collected to fund it. >>>> I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price increase of 3% per year is in line. >>>> Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra $50-100 per year. >>>> That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it would add up. >>>> >>>> I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what members would be OK with. >>>> >>>> I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get $350 of value from this organization. >>>> There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. But at WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. >>>> Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. >>>> >>>> I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our industry. >>>> >>>> I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs were ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not as restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. >>>> >>>> What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. The smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world that we are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, incorrectly suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. Instead, I want the world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION small WISP Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) >>>> But I KNOW we can do better than 300. >>>> >>>> And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning opportunity to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership list. Thats as good as any intern program. >>>> >>>> And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just think about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay more than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is Peanuts comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure WISPA should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication with the lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify $250 represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they even be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that tight, even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause they aren't going to be afforing their own lawyers anytime soon. And when picking an organization to support who else would a WISP choose more worthy than WISPA to represent them? I cant think of anyone better. >>>> >>>> I'll be honest, this whole DUES thing is a big frustration to me, Its a topic that has been discussed for 5 years now. I cant fathom to understand what the hold up is to join or pay more. What more could WISPA possibly do to show they provide over $250 of value? WHy would a WISP not want to join and contribute, when there is so much to gain by contributing the little amount asked to have contributed? >>>> >>>> There is a long road ahead of us, and every year its gonna just get harder. The lobby battle is not over, it is just beginning in Congress and FCC. >>>> And I can tell you that in the next 2 years telecom policy will get re-written, and there is no better time than now, to contribute and effect possitive change. There is not a shortage of topics to fight for... I'd even suggest when folks send in their membership Dues, that they include a note that says, and please allocate some of my dues to fight for topic XXXXX. Tell the Director what is important to you, and back it with a check. >>>> >>>> I can tell you from experience... That I spent a large part of my life the last 4 years engaged on WISPA board, and I did it, because what WISPA does is important. It was important enough, that I wanted to be there involved. But I can tell, since I left the board, and started focusing more time on my own business, my business profitabilty has increased substantially. I can tell you, $250 is a steal for me, to be able to rest assured knowing that others are working hard for the interests of my company at federal levels, so I can do my job and focus on my company's operation. I say, help WISPA do their job, and help fund their efforts via Dues. >>>> >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Rick Harnish >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >>>> >>>> Kurt, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying type efforts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were almost $100,000. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick Harnish >>>> >>>> Executive Director >>>> >>>> WISPA >>>> >>>> 260-307-4000 cell >>>> >>>> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office >>>> >>>> Skype: rick.harnish. >>>> >>>> rharn...@wispa.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of us.... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>> >>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>> >>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>> >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>> >>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>> >>>> 419-562-6405 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Microsoft Outlook >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kurt, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to get the P&L ready. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money going? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kurt Fankhauser >>>> >>>> Wavelinc Communications >>>> >>>> http://www.wavelinc.com >>>> >>>> P.O. Box 126 >>>> >>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>>> >>>> 419-562-6405 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Microsoft Outlook >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:29 AM >>>> To: bo...@burrow.com; 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It isn't about bashing WISPA in my view. It is providing input so that the WISPA Board can make the appropriate decisions that are representative of the majority of operators. The Board is made up of operators just like the rest of you and they are human, they make mistakes and they don't always have the funding or impact to get everything they want in regards to FCC policy. Any Board member will tell you that criticism is the name of the game. If you can't take it, you don't run the next year. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sure I wish we could be right all the time and never receive any criticism, but that will never happen. We pledge to do the best we can do. Understand that the Board is still a volunteer position and they do have a business to run as well. That is why they hired me to run the day to day affairs and stimulate the membership totals. Below is a graphic of WISPA revenues since March 2008. I started on August 1st, 2010. You can see that typically, we have a revenue spike with every tradeshow that we do as our membership grows. >>>> >>>> January 2011 numbers are not complete yet but in general, we seem to be progressing nicely. The large spike was the Summer Regional Show in St. Louis. Obviously there were rather large offsetting costs but it was a profitable show for us. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Respectively, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rick Harnish >>>> >>>> Executive Director >>>> >>>> WISPA >>>> >>>> 260-307-4000 cell >>>> >>>> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office >>>> >>>> Skype: rick.harnish. >>>> >>>> rharn...@wispa.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bobby Burrow >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:30 AM >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is disappointing. IF you read the Mission Statement and Goals of WISPA, you would understand that this forum is not the place to vent or air ill feelings. We are supposed to be a community of peers that can look to each other for support and encouragement as we pursue of business goals. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Freedom of speech in these public forums is not intended to be the freedom to complain or bash each other, let alone the organization that provides the service. I would suggest that those that feel that need should find another venue so the rest can continue on per the goals and mission as defined. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bobby Burrow >>>> >>>> WISPA Supporter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:30 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] new list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes <st...@pcswin.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wireless@wispa.org a free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? >>>> >>>> Steve Barnes >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson >>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] new list >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not tied to any product or service being sold. 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