I think it should be based on customer count. Have a base rate, and then have the extra based on customer count. It's up to the WISP to report correctly.
1-500 base rate 500-1000 +100 1000-2000 +250 etc. Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>wrote: > $250 first year > > $500 second+ year > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom DeReggi <wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net>wrote: > >> And I'd gladly pay another $250 per year more, if everyone would, and >> it guaranteed that WISPA would double their legal spending, for twice the >> FCC lobbying effort. My only complaint is that we could be doing more, if >> more money was collected to fund it. >> I'd argue after 6+ years at it, even just to cover inflation, a price >> increase of 3% per year is in line. >> Even if dues were raised jsut a little to $350 principle, and $150 >> Associate, the increase would be substantial for the organization, but >> almost unnoticed by the paying member. Just about anyone can afford an extra >> $50-100 per year. >> That combined with a target increase of 10% in membership recruitment, it >> would add up. >> >> I'd agree... $500-$1000 Dues might deter some people from staying members >> or joining. But I'll never understand why a small increase in dues has not >> been initiated. At minimum just to slowly test the waters on what members >> would be OK with. >> >> I can tell you, without a doubt, its impossible for a WISP not to get $350 >> of value from this organization. >> There is an arguement, why pay, if someone else will foot the bill. But at >> WISPA, there is no one else to foot the bill. >> Either members do it, or it doesn't get funded. >> >> I hope that this year that both the board raises dues, and that more >> general list participants step up to become paying members, and join our >> fight to steer the FCC and Congress into better decissions for our industry. >> >> I know WISPA's voice has made a difference, even of the victory is not >> clear. Even with NetNeutrality, some of us felt it was a loss and WISPs were >> ignored. But in reality it was a victory because the rules were not as >> restrictive as so many experts thought they would be. >> >> What we need is EVERY small, local, grassroots WISP joining our team. The >> smaller the member company the better. I dont want to tell the world that we >> are made up of mostly big WISPs that each have a million subs, incorrectly >> suggesting the bigger WISPs are the most relevent ones. Instead, I want the >> world to know that WISPA is the voice for the MILLION small WISP >> Providers across the country. (I'll settle for a 1000 :-) >> But I KNOW we can do better than 300. >> >> And heck, even being a 10year old isn't an excuse not to join as an >> assoicate member. Most parents would pay $100/year for a Toontown >> subscription. I cant imagine that a parent wouldn't JUMP at the opportunity >> to pay $100 to steer their kid (from toontown) into a learning opportunity >> to interact with experienced WISP CEOs on a full membership list. Thats as >> good as any intern program. >> >> And now for the full fledged WISP company... $250 is NOTHING! Just think >> about everything that you can buy for $250. Some of us exect to pay more >> than that for a nice dinner on the town or a pair of shoes. $250 is Peanuts >> comparatively to what similar associations charge. I'm pretty sure WISPA >> should go into the guinees book of World record as the assoication with the >> lowest Dues of all time. Id argue that if someone cant justify $250 >> represent the intereests of their business and liveihood, should they even >> be in this business? And even then, I'd argue, if money is that tight, >> even more of a reason to join WISPA, to get more bank for the buck, cause >> they aren't going to be afforing their own lawyers anytime soon. And when >> picking an organization to support who else would a WISP choose more worthy >> than WISPA to represent them? I cant think of anyone better. >> >> I'll be honest, this whole DUES thing is a big frustration to me, Its a >> topic that has been discussed for 5 years now. I cant fathom to understand >> what the hold up is to join or pay more. What more could WISPA possibly do >> to show they provide over $250 of value? WHy would a WISP not want to join >> and contribute, when there is so much to gain by contributing the little >> amount asked to have contributed? >> >> There is a long road ahead of us, and every year its gonna just get >> harder. The lobby battle is not over, it is just beginning in Congress and >> FCC. >> And I can tell you that in the next 2 years telecom policy will get >> re-written, and there is no better time than now, to contribute and effect >> possitive change. There is not a shortage of topics to fight for... I'd >> even suggest when folks send in their membership Dues, that they include a >> note that says, and please allocate some of my dues to fight for topic >> XXXXX. Tell the Director what is important to you, and back it with a >> check. >> >> I can tell you from experience... That I spent a large part of my life the >> last 4 years engaged on WISPA board, and I did it, because what WISPA does >> is important. It was important enough, that I wanted to be there involved. >> But I can tell, since I left the board, and started focusing more time on my >> own business, my business profitabilty has increased substantially. I can >> tell you, $250 is a steal for me, to be able to rest assured knowing that >> others are working hard for the interests of my company at federal levels, >> so I can do my job and focus on my company's operation. I say, help WISPA do >> their job, and help fund their efforts via Dues. >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Rick Harnish <rharn...@wispa.org> >> *To:* 'WISPA General List' <wireless@wispa.org> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:09 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >> >> Kurt, >> >> >> >> You are exactly right. Working inside the Beltway is very expensive. >> Office Rent, Malpractice insurance, hotels, food and just about everything >> else is twice what it is in the common world. However, to be clued in and >> in touch with the daily events that happen at the FCC and Congress, it is >> almost essential that we maintain a presence there through our attorney. >> Many associations have their corporate offices in the DC Metro Area. We are >> a long ways from doing that and we maintain our virtual offices across the >> country at Board Member offices and my little rented office in Indiana. We >> are appreciative of all the supplies, electricity, insurance and other >> expenses incurred by those that serve on the Board, so that we can maintain >> low overhead and dedicate the major portion of our revenue to go to lobbying >> type efforts. >> >> >> >> For those of you that are wondering. Our legal expenses last year were >> almost $100,000. >> >> >> >> I appreciate your kind words and we will continue to work for the >> industry. Hopefully others will join the members in supporting our efforts. >> >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> >> >> *Rick Harnish* >> >> Executive Director >> >> WISPA >> >> 260-307-4000 cell >> >> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office >> >> Skype: rick.harnish. >> >> rharn...@wispa.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:11 AM >> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] WISPA DUES - (was: new list) >> >> >> >> Rick, >> >> >> >> I just seen the total expenses sheet, and all I have to say is WOW. I had >> no idea that there was as much legal fees associated with running WISPA. >> Lets face it, these annual member fees are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to the >> overall cost of running WISPA. And right now pretty much everyone that is a >> WISP (paying member of WISPA or not) is getting benefit from this >> organization from the lobbying efforts and FCC agenda. I encourage anyone >> that is not a current member to sign up. I know that there are a TON of >> wisps out there that are not members. I would estimate that possibly only >> 25-50% of all total WISPS are members. >> >> >> >> The WISPS that are not current members should be ashamed of themselves >> because of all that they are benefitting from at the expense of the rest of >> us…. >> >> >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> >> Wavelinc Communications >> >> P.O. Box 126 >> >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> >> http://www.wavelinc.com >> >> 419-562-6405 >> >> >> >> Sent from Microsoft Outlook >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Rick Harnish >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:57 PM >> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list >> >> >> >> Kurt, >> >> >> >> We will take this to the members list. I have a couple hours of work to >> get the P&L ready. >> >> >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:21 PM >> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list >> >> >> >> Rick, >> >> >> >> What does WISPA take in total for a years time and where is all this money >> going? >> >> >> >> >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> >> Wavelinc Communications >> >> http://www.wavelinc.com >> >> P.O. Box 126 >> >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> >> 419-562-6405 >> >> >> >> Sent from Microsoft Outlook >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Rick Harnish >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:29 AM >> *To:* bo...@burrow.com; 'WISPA General List' >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list >> >> >> >> It isn’t about bashing WISPA in my view. It is providing input so that >> the WISPA Board can make the appropriate decisions that are representative >> of the majority of operators. The Board is made up of operators just like >> the rest of you and they are human, they make mistakes and they don’t always >> have the funding or impact to get everything they want in regards to FCC >> policy. Any Board member will tell you that criticism is the name of the >> game. If you can’t take it, you don’t run the next year. >> >> >> >> Sure I wish we could be right all the time and never receive any >> criticism, but that will never happen. We pledge to do the best we can do. >> Understand that the Board is still a volunteer position and they do have a >> business to run as well. That is why they hired me to run the day to day >> affairs and stimulate the membership totals. Below is a graphic of WISPA >> revenues since March 2008. I started on August 1st, 2010. You can see >> that typically, we have a revenue spike with every tradeshow that we do as >> our membership grows. >> >> January 2011 numbers are not complete yet but in general, we seem to be >> progressing nicely. The large spike was the Summer Regional Show in St. >> Louis. Obviously there were rather large offsetting costs but it was a >> profitable show for us. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Respectively, >> >> >> >> *Rick Harnish* >> >> Executive Director >> >> WISPA >> >> 260-307-4000 cell >> >> 866-317-2851 WISPA Office >> >> Skype: rick.harnish. >> >> rharn...@wispa.org >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Bobby Burrow >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:30 AM >> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list >> >> >> >> This is disappointing. IF you read the Mission Statement and Goals of >> WISPA, you would understand that this forum is not the place to vent or air >> ill feelings. We are supposed to be a community of peers that can look to >> each other for support and encouragement as we pursue of business goals. >> >> >> >> Freedom of speech in these public forums is not intended to be the freedom >> to complain or bash each other, let alone the organization that provides the >> service. I would suggest that those that feel that need should find another >> venue so the rest can continue on per the goals and mission as defined. >> >> >> >> Bobby Burrow >> >> WISPA Supporter >> >> >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman >> *Sent:* Monday, January 24, 2011 11:30 AM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] new list >> >> >> >> To be entirely neutral. We can't bash WISPA if we wanted to, for >> example. We can't bash a company that is affiliated with WISPA. Probably >> not the best example, but this way we are entirely free to do what we want. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Steve Barnes <st...@pcswin.com> wrote: >> >> Not sure of the reason for this Post here. Isn't the wirel...@wispa.orga >> free non-vendor specific list? Is this a post to pull users from WISPA? >> >> Steve Barnes >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Travis Johnson >> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:36 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] new list >> >> Hi, >> >> In an effort to create a neutral discussion forum, a new mailing list has >> been created called Wireless Users Group. This list is 100% free, and is not >> tied to any product or service being sold. It is hosted on a free server, >> with free bandwidth and free administration. 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