Mark, I may have missed it but I havent heard MK call you any names.
There really is no room for that on this list. But then, who am I?
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Mark Nash <markl...@uwol.net
<mailto:markl...@uwol.net>> wrote:
We all know that Mark Koskenmaki has good points sometimes.
The trouble is that it's shrouded in the fact that he's a dick and
doesn't actually want to help..he just wants to bitch.
Notice that he's not on the members list. Again doesn't want to
help...just wants to bitch.
Dick.
On 7/16/2011 3:19 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
> I'm sorry I guess I missed you at the Legislative Committee list
when I
> was putting this together sending out drafts and asking for
comments and
> help</sarcasm>. WISPA is a representation of those who show up
to help
> formulate consensus and policy, not my personal views. So easy
to throw
> darts at the end result when you wouldn't be part of the
process, isn't it?
>
> On 7/15/2011 7:07 PM, MDK wrote:
>> Nice re-write of history, Forbes. Who are you trying to protect?
>>
>> It is NOT Congress which has been the motivating factor behind
the FCC's
>> anti-competitive behavior... It has been the administration and
the people
>> that this administration have appointed and have hired,
combined with a
>> small number of extreme left-wing groups who have been pushing Net
>> Neutrality, etc. It was NEVER Congress that pushed this.
>>
>> Your effort to see spectrum auctioned is not so much a matter
of lobbyists
>> having taken over Congress as it is a matter of Congress
finding ways to
>> raise money. A later poster reminded us that not only is Congress
>> unfamiliar with what we do and how we do it - along with why we
are needed -
>> the FCC is just as ignorant as well. Despite that fact that
WISPA has
>> communicated, the FCC people as a whole just DO NOT GRASP the
realities of
>> free market service providers.
>>
>> Until the readers were so sore here that nobody would talk to
me, and
>> threatened to expel me, I tried to explain how WISPA needed to
take a
>> PRINCIPLED STAND at the time WISPA began to be noticed in DC,
that we
>> believed in Free Markets and freedom to do business, without being
>> encumbered (killed) by federal regulation.
>>
>> To this day, WISPA has no published principles which say that
it, or you,
>> believe in free markets, open competition, and consumer - oriented
>> stewardship of the nation's RF spectrum-rather than auctioning
the assets to
>> the largest bidder. Instead, WISPA has a history of
alternatively being for
>> and against various actions - mostly based upon whether or not
it was
>> financially a win for the larger voices of WISPA.
>>
>> This lack of principled direction has now come and bitten us in the
>> backside, potentially lethally. The central notion we have to
fight is
>> that spectrum should be auctioned (revenue to the feds) to the
highest
>> bidder. And someone, in their ignorance, has managed to
commit an idea
>> commensurate to your local city government suddenly deciding to
create a
>> "license to sell groceries" and has structured it so that it
is all tied to
>> one auction, where any deep pockets bidder can remove the
ability of all the
>> incumbents to stay in business. Instead of educating
Congress, the FCC
>> ,and our allies (if we have any) about how freedom to be in
business has
>> been the central mechanism by which a vast swath of America has
great
>> internet service, we've quibbled over dollars and rules and
tried to slant
>> them for us against others - the very thinking we must now defeat.
>>
>> I have said we all stand on freedom, or fall together, and for
this I have
>> been branded as a radical, idiot, moron, right wing extremist,
and so on -
>> as such principles are, according to the self proclaimed 'wise
men' of the
>> group, outdated and unworkable. Until we need them, of
course. Even the
>> tortured and twisted explanation below is still trying to
defend the big
>> government crapola, and by now, it better be as clear and
obvious to you, as
>> a just hammered thumbnail, that NOTHING ELSE MATTERS IF WE DO
NOT HAVE THE
>> FREEDOM TO BE IN BUSINESS.
>>
>> I was at founding of WISPA. I was there within a week or two
of the
>> interest list being formed, and I joined and donated money,
until previous
>> people of WISPA were found by me to be advocating FCC mandates
on us. At
>> which I resigned and will not rejoin until my money is no
longer at risk of
>> being used against our basic and fundamental freedoms.
>>
>> YEARS have been sqandered, because WISPA failed to advocate for
freedom
>> first, a consistent, principled basis for everything said, advocacy
>> positions, etc. Now, you have to suddenly "get religion", because
>> EVERYONE's freedom is at stake, even our competition's,.
Rather than
>> advocate for that, WISPA now has a history just as compromised
as AT&T's and
>> every lobbyist's, because it stood for little more than trying
to bend the
>> rules to favor US instead of "THEM". Expediently, we've
"discovered" that
>> open markets mean open to competition, as well, something not
advocated by
>> WISPA before.
>>
>> I said in 2009 that there were people headed for Congress, a
sea change
>> coming, and that WISPA needed to get politically allied with
the pro freedom
>> crowd. They were called radicals and idiots on this list instead.
>>
>> If you have even ONCE advocated for big government
intervention... For
>> money your way, for regulation to favor you instead of them,
for a chance to
>> get your hands on the subsidies, or IN ANY WAY supported the
notion of
>> government intervention in the markets.... YOU are directly to
blame for the
>> mess we're facing. YOU failed to stand for the ONE thing that
matters,
>> freedom. I sure hope we win this fight.
>>
>> When I started posting about defending your right to be in
business several
>> years ago, it was because I had envisioned this happening, it
was written on
>> the wall, in big letters. I told you so. Are you going to get
serious, or
>> this just going to be just more arguments of convenience?
>>
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 <tel:509-386-4589>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Forbes Mercy"<forbes.me...@wabroadband.com
<mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com>>
>> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:03 AM
>> To:<memb...@wispa.org <mailto:memb...@wispa.org>>; "WISPA
General List"<wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> Subject: [WISPA] The Legislative Situation Is Dire
>>
>>> TO WISP's
>>>
>>> I'm not much of an alarmist and I would never claim the sky is
falling
>>> unless I had positive proof. Right now WISPA is faced with what I
>>> perceive as the most serious threat to our industry to date.
Some of
>>> you may complain that the FCC is an overreaching intruder into our
>>> business. While Federal Government oversight and regulations
into our
>>> rapidly growing industry may seem intrusive WISPA has always
had their
>>> ear and we feel they listen and include us into much of their
decision
>>> making process. There is no doubt they truly want nation-wide
service
>>> and recognize the lack of enthusiastic expansion by major players
>>> (legacy carriers) into the rural area which is our strongest
argument.
>>>
>>> Starting with Net Neutrality we noticed that Congress was
starting to
>>> politicize the work of the FCC. Some of you thought that was
a good
>>> thing since you felt the FCC was slow in releasing
frequencies. The
>>> micro-management of the FCC on that first issue has rapidly
grown to
>>> full fledged taking over of the FCC's mission. Once the legacy
>>> characters found that they could go around the FCC to
Congress, where
>>> they already give millions in "donations", they knew they had
one big
>>> leg up on small budget organizations like WISPA. They are now
flexing
>>> their full lobbying muscle by getting some 'friends' in
Congress to
>>> introduce bills that would freeze any future expansion of the WISP
>>> market locking us out of the lower frequencies that we need to
penetrate
>>> vegetation and terrain. Much like teaching the Internet to
your parents
>>> other legislators look at the new laws with dazed amazement
and just say
>>> OK not realizing the ramifications and listening to the
lobbyist spin.
>>>
>>> WISPA is not sitting back on this one, last year our board was not
>>> afraid to go far out of budget to get our feet firmly in the
door on
>>> issues such as TV White Spaces (TV White Spaces) and the Universal
>>> Service Fund change to Connect America Fund (CAF). It appears
all that
>>> work is now under scrutiny by Congress and their answer seems
to be one
>>> of 'lets just put all frequencies up for bid, licensed and
unlicensed'.
>>> None of us WISP's could afford to bid against the likes of
AT&T and
>>> Verizon and it has the potential of locking all small business
out of
>>> any future frequencies.
>>>
>>> Yesterday the Legislative, FCC, and Promotions Committee of
WISPA got
>>> together and released a letter to all Congressional Members of
several
>>> committees relevant to this battle, in addition we paid to
have a formal
>>> press release sent to the media objecting to this path that
both the
>>> Senate and House seem to be pursuing. We are now interviewing
potential
>>> Lobbyists (something we've never needed before) and, other
firms that
>>> can help us with this new front we have to fight on.
>>>
>>> Where WISPA will have to go to get the ear of Congress to stop
this
>>> insane path is all new to us but we are up to the challange.
We have
>>> great legal counsel, members that can attend and testify hearings,
>>> allies in other groups such as New America feel the pain like
us on this
>>> issue. We will be making alliances, learning how to do social
>>> networking to reach our members, our members subscribers and,
anyone who
>>> will side with us to form grass roots efforts to get the
attention of
>>> Congress. At this point we are not asking for a special
assessment or
>>> other means to aggressively answer this call, we are within
budget so
>>> far but it's hard to say how far this will go. We simply are
asking you
>>> to watch closely what we inform membership, prepare to be involved
>>> because unless you are content with the current frequencies
and rules we
>>> are under you will directly be affected by this Congressional
action.
>>>
>>> If we give in to these irrational rules don't think Congress
or the
>>> legacy characters will stop there, if they sell the revenue model
>>> successfully they could go after existing frequencies too.
WISPA will
>>> be releasing talking points next week so that you can help us
by making
>>> appointments with your Congressperson while they are in
district during
>>> the month of August. We really need to educate them that this
path is
>>> bad for America and their constituents. If you need constant
updates
>>> please join the Legislative Committee as we will be posting
most of the
>>> Legislative work in that venue. Thank you for your time and we
>>> appreciate you realizing the huge task we have ahead of us.
>>>
>>> Forbes Mercy
>>> WISPA VP/Legislative Chair
>>>
>>>
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