On 1/8/2013 7:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> What about VLANing that traffic?  As fat as the ER. If enough  people want 
> MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their 
> egotistic mentality.

I totally get what you mean about MT.  We've got some ROS boxes doing 
good service, but then I tried a pair of 951s at home and had to take 
them out, as they just don't stay up.  It's not uniform, and you get 
what you get.  Vyatta doesn't compile in MPLS so EdgeOS doesn't have it. 
Vyatta is now Brocade so I don't know how flexible they'll be.

VLANing is of no use.  That provides a degree of protection against 
interception, but no QoS and no protection against DDoS.  And it's kind 
of ugly.  Not that MPLS isn't ugly, but until RINA is ready it can sort 
of work.

> Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug?
>
> On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein <fgoldst...@ionary.com> wrote:
>
>> On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:
>>> I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is
>>> certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on
>>> the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete,
>>> freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my
>>> breath.
>>>
>>> Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many
>>> people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not
>>> available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very
>>> expensive end of town.
>>
>> For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest
>> profit end of the "ISP" business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS
>> is the only game in town.  You do it on a router that has it, or on a
>> "switch" that has it.  Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x)
>> and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't
>> really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled
>> shim below IP.  If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC,
>> then you probably are using MPLS.
>>
>> There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since
>> they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to
>> if they wrote it.... So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with
>> it.  Cisco is way too expensive.  RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are
>> more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot
>> of other systems).
>>
>>>
>>> On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>> You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure.
>>>> On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running
>>>> a
>>>> Cisco or a Juniper?
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones <a...@jonesy.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does.
>>>>> Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on
>>>>> routerOS?
>>>>>
>>
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