OK so the docs are wrong then. That's good to know though.
Matt Hoppes Director of Information Technology Indigo Wireless +1 (570) 723-7312 On 1/28/13 9:39 AM, Patrick Leary wrote: > See below > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From:* "Dave Clelland" <dave.clell...@alvarion.com >> <mailto:dave.clell...@alvarion.com>> >> *Date:* January 28, 2013, 9:31:22 AM EST >> *To:* "Patrick Leary" <patrick.le...@alvarion.com >> <mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>> >> *Subject:* *RE: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?* >> >> Not from the WBSn. You can configure either bridge or router mode in >> the system configuration. No extra license. The only extra license >> is to activate the AP controller that speaks to the Wifi Cloud >> Controller. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dave Clelland >> >> Sr. RF & Systems Engineer >> >> Alvarion, Inc. >> >> *From:*Patrick Leary >> *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2013 9:26 AM >> *To:* Dave Clelland >> *Subject:* Fwd: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >> >> That true? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From:* Matt Hoppes <mhop...@indigowireless.com >> <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> >> *Date:* January 28, 2013, 8:52:58 AM EST >> *To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> >> *Subject:* *Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives?* >> *Reply-To:* WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> >> >> I knew it was too good to be true... >> >> "Bridge and Router Modes" - Require additional licenses. >> >> :( >> >> On 1/27/13 7:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: >> >> The 2.4 versions have 3 radios (3x3 MIMO) and can come in single >> sector >> >> or 3 diagonally-opposed omni options. UBNT CPE connect to it >> just fine. >> >> I'll be on a big road trip this week, but I'll send you some >> pricing >> >> examples offlist tomorrow or Tuesday evening. Anyone else >> interested hit >> >> me OFFLIST and I'll do the same. >> >> Patrick Leary >> >> Alvarion >> >> 727.501.3735 >> >> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >> *On Behalf Of *Blair Davis >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:13 PM >> >> *To:* WISPA General List >> >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >> >> I'd like more info on these or similar things as well. >> >> I assume they connect to B/G/N CPE? I don't have to replace >> all my UBNT >> >> CPE? >> >> How about the omni antenna plots/patterns? >> >> Maybe a 2.4GHz only version? >> >> Pricing? >> >> -- >> >> On 1/26/2013 8:31 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: >> >> Feb 12 there will be a WISPA hosted webinar on the 2450 series. >> >> Nothing like VL. No throttling barriers. Indoor CPE sub >> $50, outdoor >> >> CPE sub $150. ...This is not the old Alvarion, though I'm >> feeling a >> >> lot older! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 5:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" >> >> <mhop...@indigowireless.com >> <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> >> <mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote: >> >> So when can more information about these devices be >> had? Is the >> >> licensing going to be similar to the VL equipment from >> >> yester-year? Or are they wide open and you get what >> you buy? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:21, Patrick Leary >> >> <patrick.le...@alvarion.com >> <mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com> >> <mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>> >> >> wrote: >> >> I actually do not know yet. The 2450 are new and >> different >> >> from the previous ones in terms of some of the hardware >> >> (filters and such), so I don't yet have North American >> >> anecdotal examples. Most international examples are not >> >> WISP-based I understand, using omni versions for >> apps like >> >> smart cities, indoor coverage from outside, >> stadiums, etc. >> >> The WISP market is a big reason why we are doing >> the sector >> >> versions. >> >> The specs on the dual band sector are: >> >> 2.4 GHz: HGDP, 12dBi, 120ºH x 16ºV >> >> 5 GHz: HGDP, 14dBi, 120ºH x 8ºV >> >> Effective directed EIRP totals are high because >> they meet >> >> the PTP FCC requirements because of the adaptive >> beamforming: >> >> 2.4 GHz: 48 dBm >> >> 5 GHz: 49 dBm >> >> Those of you smarter than I can probably do the >> math then to >> >> get an idea of range at various heights. The one >> example I >> >> know from a trusted source (my engineer) is his getting >> >> stable 20mbps with the USB device one mile away >> from his >> >> house with the BTS mounted on the railing of his >> 2nd story >> >> porch. I am not sure of his LOS or NLOS condition, >> but I >> >> should assume mostly LOS to be safe. The beamforming is >> >> bi-directional from the CPE up as well, so that >> should help >> >> the range too. >> >> Patrick Leary >> >> Alvarion >> >> 727.501.3735 >> >> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> >> >> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> >> >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of >> *Matt Hoppes >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:12 PM >> >> *To:* WISPA General List >> >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >> >> Patrick, >> >> Out of curiosity what kind of distance can you get >> from the >> >> tower running 3X3? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 26, 2013, at 17:07, Patrick Leary >> >> <patrick.le...@alvarion.com >> <mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com> >> >> <mailto:patrick.le...@alvarion.com>> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the details Tyson. You are right, that >> >> version is the legacy b/g version with 3 omnis >> >> diagonally opposed. That has 450 mbps aggregate >> >> (obviously in top modulation). The new 2450 >> series are >> >> N-based and feature 6 radios. Both the 2.4 and >> the 5GHz >> >> side are 3x3 MIMO. The versions include: >> >> WBSn 2450-S which is a single dual band sector >> in 120 >> >> degrees with 6 antenna elements. I can get you >> exact H/V >> >> details if you want. >> >> WBSn 2450-O which has three diagonally-opposed >> dual band >> >> omnis, again with each band 3x3. >> >> WBSn 2450-SO comes with a single 5 GHz 3x3 120 >> sector >> >> and 3 diagonally-opposed 2.4 omnis. >> >> Yes John, we have client devices, among them: >> >> Dual Zone Indoor AP. It also beamforms and it is >> >> basically a very small form factor repeater >> that picks >> >> up the outdoor signal and re-broadcasts indoor. >> It is a >> >> really effective little box. >> >> There is an outdoor CPE as you would expect. >> >> There is also a USB version CPE as well as a >> desk mount. >> >> I have to check as there may be others. >> >> Max associations on BTSs are 512. All deliver >> 900 mbps >> >> aggregate. >> >> They all do beam adaptive beamforming, which >> means the >> >> antennas target all the energy to each client >> and does >> >> this on a per packet decision basis. This helps >> >> considerably with interference mitigation. The >> radios >> >> also have several other patented interference >> mitigation >> >> techniques. >> >> Alvarion improved upon the performance of these >> radios >> >> as well and the 2450 series are the result. All >> are IP68 >> >> (complete submersion down to 3 feet deep) boxes >> and feel >> >> like tanks. >> >> Patrick Leary >> >> Alvarion >> >> 727.501.3735 >> >> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org >> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> >> >> <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> >> >> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf >> Of *Tyson >> >> Shreeves >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:20 PM >> >> *To:* j...@mvn.net <mailto:j...@mvn.net> >> <mailto:j...@mvn.net>; WISPA General List >> >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] High Capacity AP >> alternatives? >> >> We have 3 omni wbs2400 deployed currently and our >> >> original reason for trying wavion was the amount of >> >> clients we wanted to connect to a single ap. >> The most >> >> we had was 110 clients at one time, but we >> noticed some >> >> performance issues at around 80-90 clients. >> The model >> >> mentioned is BG only not N. Clients connected were >> >> roughly 2/3 legacy ubiquiti and 1/3 newer ubnt >> dual mimo >> >> on it. Customers speeds set from 512k to 5Mb. >> They use >> >> something called beam forming I believe that >> supposedly >> >> just enables it to penetrate or go around >> obstacles more >> >> efficiently and I think for an omni (which I >> usually >> >> hate) it gets a solid 5-7 miles near line of >> sight. The >> >> new ones they have are BGN and can dual >> band(2.4 & 5.8) >> >> and supposedly can handle double the amount of >> clients. >> >> And another plus is the few times we have had >> issues all >> >> ive done is create a tech file in the web gui >> email it >> >> and they are good about troubleshooting with >> you. If u >> >> have specific questions I didn't answer let me >> know. >> >> /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ >> >> John Scrivner <j...@mvn.net >> <mailto:j...@mvn.net> <mailto:j...@mvn.net>> wrote: >> >> Could you share details about Wavion? How many >> customers >> >> on an AP? Is it omni or secotor? MIMO? Do they >> have AP >> >> and client devices? Longest customer link? Latency >> >> results average/max/min on longest shot? Do >> they only >> >> use plain vanilla Wifi or some scheduled TDMA >> variant >> >> (like UBNT AirMAX or Proxim WARP or old Karlnet >> stuff)? >> >> Max raw TCP throughput per sector? How many >> deployments? >> >> Anything like this would be very valuable. I >> liked to >> >> hearing about all Wavion was supposed to be >> able to do >> >> when I saw them at a show but I am always >> hesitant to >> >> believe anything that is pure Wifi can be a >> real outdoor >> >> delivery platform. Very interested to hear your >> results >> >> about this device. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Scriv >> >> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Tyson Shreeves >> >> <ty...@wigi.us <mailto:ty...@wigi.us> >> <mailto:ty...@wigi.us>> wrote: >> >> We have had good luck with a couple of wavion >> AP's. They >> >> can b a little pricey though. >> >> /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/ >> >> Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> >> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >> >> Huawei? Canadian WISP is doing 3.5 GHz with >> their stuff. >> >> Josh Luthman >> >> Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >> >> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 >> >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> On Jan 26, 2013 12:31 AM, "Mike Hammett" >> >> <wispawirel...@ics-il.net >> <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net> >> >> <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >> >> There's Cambium, WiFi, LTE and WiMAX that I can >> think of. >> >> Alvarion has recently come out with a higher >> capacity AP >> >> (LTE?), but I'd consider it to be at the new >> bar for >> >> average. Otherwise, WiMAX and LTE are generally >> too low >> >> of throughput to be useful. >> >> I don't think anyone has really enough of a >> >> differentiator in the WiFi space to not use UBNT or >> >> Mikrotik. UBNT is cheap and generally works. >> Mikrotik >> >> has their whole RouterOS behind it and >> generally works. >> >> Cambium is the only thing I can think of that's >> doing >> >> their own thing. It looks really good if only >> the APs >> >> were 90% less expensive. >> >> 100 meg of throughput on an AP is really the >> minimum to >> >> be considered. I have areas where I could put >> something >> >> multiples higher to use. >> >> ----- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Matt Jenkins" <m...@smarterbroadband.net >> <mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net> >> >> <mailto:m...@smarterbroadband.net>> >> >> To: us...@wug.cc <mailto:us...@wug.cc> >> <mailto:us...@wug.cc>, "WISPA General >> >> List" <wireless@wispa.org >> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>> >> >> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:36:26 PM >> >> Subject: [WISPA] High Capacity AP alternatives? >> >> Besides Cambium, Mikrotik, Ubnt and other WiFi >> products, >> >> is anyone >> >> successfully deploying something else to >> service both >> >> residential and >> >> business customers? >> >> Thanks, >> >> - Matt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wireless mailing list >> >> Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> >> 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