So while I am de minimus should I not be charging a USF fee?  You stated
that I cannot charge more than I pass along but if I pass along nothing
until I am at the 10K mark then am I not supposed to bill it until that
point?


On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Fred Goldstein <fgoldst...@ionary.com>wrote:

>  On 7/28/2013 12:46 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>
> From what I read it seems like you can collect whatever you want directly
> from your customers but it may be considered as income and taxed as such.
> So you can't really pass it on as a direct fee and bypass your income tax
> liability for it.
>
>
> No.  Federal billing rules say that you cannot collect more on your retail
> bill for FUSF than you pass along.  No markups allowed.  Most of the other
> charges can also be passed along one for one, but state rules could vary.
>
> But the rate is not exactly what you think.  The Federal USF rate is
> calculated as a percentage, changed quarterly (it has gone over 17%), of
> your interstate telecommunications service billing.  If you are providing
> local telephone service, that line item is not subject to USF as it is
> intrastate, not intersate.  Internet access is not subject to USF as it is
> information service, not telecommunications service.  The tax was meant to
> apply to long distance calls, which were a lot of money back in the day.
>
> If you are (as is the norm nowadays) providing a service that does not
> charge explicitly for interstate long distance, then you have two options.
> There is a "safe harbor" of 64.9%, wherein that percentage of the total
> phone package is deemed interstate.  So if you sold it for $10/month, the
> tax would be applied to $6.49 of it.  This number was computed back when
> VoIP services were primarily used as cheap dial-around long distance, not
> as primary lines, so the "PIU" (percentage interstate use -- this number
> comes up a LOT in telecom billing) was high.
>
> You can also compute what percentage of your calls are actually
> interstate, and pay USF on that percentage of the bill.  This involves
> filling out the Form 499-Q's correctly, but it is the norm nowadays.
>
> Bear in mind that there is a "de minimis" rule.  If you would owe less
> than $10k/year, then you only file Form 499-A (annual, vs. quarterly), and
> don't pay anything.  BUT you then are treated as a retail customer of your
> wholesale provider(s), and *they* collect USF on what they bill you.  If
> you are no de minimis, and do actually pay USF, then you tell that to your
> providers, who have to verify it against FCC records, and then they don't
> charge you USF.  It's sort of like a retailer's exemption on sales tax;
> it's only collected once.  Note that this whole system is on the docket at
> the FCC and they're still thinking about how to revise it, but don't seem
> to have a consensus, so they're just putting it off.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com>wrote:
>
>> That looks about right, it varies by state/locality of course. We collect
>> Federal USF, State use tax, state and county E911. The USF you get to
>> pocket until your required contributions are $10k/year - under that you are
>> considered "de minimus" and just have to file the annual form.
>>
>>  When we set up our billing the Telecom Relay Fund passed under our
>> radar so now we're just paying for that out of pocket. I'm not sure if you
>> are allowed to collect that specifically from your customers as well.
>>
>>
>>  On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>    I am attempting to figure out all of the taxes for VoiP and the main
>>> thing that has me confused is the Universal Service Fund.  It seems that my
>>> state (Utah) has a USF of 0.45% 
>>> http://www.psc.state.ut.us/utilities/telecom/documents/Rule%20746-360%20amendment.rtf
>>>
>>>
>>>  Then it also seems like the Feds want 15.1%??  That is huge!
>>> http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/contribution-factor-quarterly-filings-universal-service-fund-usf-management-support
>>>
>>>  Then there is sales and use tax of
>>> *State Sales & Use -* 4.7%
>>>  *Municipality Sales & Use - *varies - see
>>> http://tax.utah.gov/salestax/rate/13q3combined.pdf
>>>
>>>  Then we have E911:
>>>
>>> *E911 State -* .08
>>> *E911 County -* .61
>>>  *Poison Control -* .07
>>> *-------------------------------*
>>>  *Total for E911 -* .76
>>>
>>>  Then, since October 2011 we are also liable for the *Telecommunications
>>> Relay Fund* - .06
>>>  http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-11-150A1.pdf
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> Wireless@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wireless mailing list
>> Wireless@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wireless mailing 
> listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
>
>
> --
>  Fred R. Goldstein              fred "at" interisle.net
>  Interisle Consulting Group
>  +1 617 795 2701
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Wireless mailing list
> Wireless@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
>
_______________________________________________
Wireless mailing list
Wireless@wispa.org
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Reply via email to