Of course they gave it a thought...   "Hmmm I wonder when we can get
some of these with even more power?"    It's a snatch and grab...  If
they can chase everyone away, it's theirs....

On 11/15/2013 08:18 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
> Coming from the WISP side, I asked them why they have these blasting at
> full power, 24/7 when the zone director surely could manage power levels
> when needed.    
> 
> I didn't get a answer.  I don't think they even gave it a thought about
> who they might interfere with.   
> 
> On Friday, November 15, 2013, Robert wrote:
> 
>     Spectrum trashers....   At least if there's no traffic on them there
>     shouldn't be much noise..
> 
>     On 11/15/2013 06:26 AM, Zach Mann wrote:
>     > He's talking about these... (see attached)
>     >
>     >
>     > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Scott Carullo
>     > <[email protected] <javascript:;>
>     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >     I'm not talking about the ones in peoples homes, I'm talking about
>     >     the ones the cable carrier hangs on the lines outside runing
>     through
>     >     the city on every corner....  clear LOS to every tower around.
>     >
>     >     Scott Carullo
>     >     Technical Operations
>     >     855-FLSPEED x102
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >    
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >     *From*: "Brian Webster" <[email protected]
>     <javascript:;>
>     >     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>>
>     >     *Sent*: Friday, November 15, 2013 8:24 AM
>     >     *To*: "WISPA General List" <[email protected] <javascript:;>
>     >     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>>
>     >     *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>     >
>     >     One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
>     >     free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
>     >     indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
>     >     source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
>     >     laws of physics work in your favor.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     Thank You,
>     >
>     >     Brian Webster
>     >
>     >     www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>     <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>     >
>     >     www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>     <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     *From:*[email protected] <javascript:;>
>     >     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>
>     >     [mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>
>     >     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>] *On Behalf
>     Of *Scott Carullo
>     >     *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
>     >     *To:* Matt Hoppes; [email protected] <javascript:;>
>     >     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>; WISPA
>     General List
>     >     *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
>     >     we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
>     >     me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
>     >     there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some
>     radios
>     >     (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
>     >     its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
>     >     the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we
>     always do.
>     >
>     >     I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good
>     directional CPE
>     >     will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
>     >     compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
>     >     drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
>     >     knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city
>     to them....
>     >
>     >     Scott Carullo
>     >     Technical Operations
>     >     855-FLSPEED x102
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >    
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >
>     >     *From*: "Matt Hoppes" <[email protected] <javascript:;>
>     >     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>>
>     >     *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
>     >     *To*: "[email protected] <javascript:;>
>     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>"
>     >     <[email protected] <javascript:;>
>     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>>,
>     >     "WISPA General List" <[email protected] <javascript:;>
>     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>>
>     >     *Cc*: "WISPA General List" <[email protected] <javascript:;>
>     >     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>>
>     >     *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.
>     >
>     >     Are you seeing any impact from them?
>     >
>     >
>     >     On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, "Scott Carullo"
>     >     <[email protected] <javascript:;>
>     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >         Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street
>     >         corner.  Already seeing that in our areas....  do a wireless
>     >         scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones
>     >         (they run dual band APs now).
>     >
>     >         Scott Carullo
>     >         Technical Operations
>     >         855-FLSPEED x102
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >        
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     >
>     >         *From*: "Bret Clark" <[email protected] <javascript:;>
>     >         <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>>
>     >         *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
>     >         *To*: [email protected] <javascript:;>
>     <mailto:[email protected] <javascript:;>>
>     >         *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz
>     spectrum.
>     >
>     >         What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
>     >         spectrum...[/sarcasm off]
>     >
>     >         On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:
>     >
>     >             I hope the links at the bottom come through.
>     >
>     >            
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >             Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum
>     band to
>     >             power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow
>     it to
>     >             deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps,
>     SVP of
>     >             Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy
>     >             and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >             Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has
>     >             expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity
>     >             high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's
>     >             largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways
>     >             from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be
>     >             able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >             While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band,
>     Nagel
>     >             said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet
>     demand
>     >             from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition
>     >             from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to
>     >             use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation
>     connected car
>     >             applications, including applications that would warn
>     drivers
>     >             of collision threats.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >             Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns
>     >             about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at
>     >             Wednesday's hearing.  "We have been actively engaged with
>     >             the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are
>     exploring
>     >             possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of
>     >             harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But
>     we're not
>     >             there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if
>     >             we can get there," Kenney said in his prepared testimony.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >             For more:
>     >             - see Nagel's prepared testimony
>     >            
>     
> <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0>
>     (.pdf)
>     >             - see Kenney's prepared testimony
>     >            
>     
> <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0>
>     (.pdf)
>     >             - see Comcast blog post
>     >            
>     
> <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0>
>     >             - /Broadcasting & Cable/ has this story
>     >            
>     
> <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2O
>     
> <http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190&ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2&r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1&b=0&j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&mt=2&rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0&rt=0>>
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>     > >       >    > 
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