On Mar 27, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Evan Huus <eapa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Hadriel Kaplan <hkap...@acmepacket.com> 
> wrote:
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2013, at 1:57 PM, Evan Huus <eapa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> -d filtering is done when displaying, and has no effect on the
>>> internal dissection at all (note this does not force 2 passes).
>> 
>> Actually I'm pretty sure Wireshark *does* perform two passes when a display 
>> filter is applied from the command line.  It performs the first-pass on 
>> reading the file during which it applies a read-filter if supplied as well 
>> as a display-filter if supplied, and it does a second display-filter and 
>> dissection pass during loading of the GUI's packet-store (which was filled 
>> by whatever passed the first pass).
> 
> I think this is just a potential optimization in Wireshark, not
> required behaviour. It shouldn't (?) materially affect my proposal.

I guess my point is the reason some of these things work in Wireshark and not 
tshark is because Wireshark always performs two passes.  If Wireshark didn't 
perform two passes, and if tshark doesn't with the "-Y", then some things will 
not work.  So why make it optional?  Just have '-Y' always do a two-pass 
analysis.  Otherwise there's no real difference between '-R' and '-Y', unless 
'-2' is also set.

For example, bug 8529 is that using a '-R icmp.resp_in' filter doesn't work in 
tshark.  It doesn't work because the 'icmp.resp_in' field isn't set until 
later... in the second pass.  The same would be true in Wireshark - it wouldn't 
display the ICMP requests if it didn't run through two passes, because in the 
first pass none of them have that field set.

In tshark it doesn't work even with the "-2" option set, but that's because the 
"-R" is really a read filter for all intents and purposes, not a display 
filter.  So in the current two-pass mode in tshark, the '-R icmp.resp_in' 
filters out ALL the frames in the first pass (since none of them have that 
field yet), so that there are no frames remaining to even be checked in the 
second pass.  The same thing would happen in wireshark, if you do "wireshark -r 
<file> -R icmp.resp_in" nothing will show up.

[note: Interestingly in Wireshark if you either do "wireshark -r <file> -d 
icmp.resp_in" or set that display-filter before opening the file within the 
GUI, nothing shows up either at first... but if you clear the display filter 
inside the gui after the file is open and re-apply the filter, the correct 
frames show up.  But that's because of what I had said earlier: it performs a 
first-pass on reading the file with the read-filter and display-filter, and a 
second pass while loading the GUI packet-store which was filled by whatever 
passed the first-pass, which won't contain anything in this case because the 
ICMP requests won't pass this display-filter in the first pass.]

-hadriel

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