Hi Jason,

Indeed, not so easy to find. The roadmap[1] states the intention to have a 
decent snapshot of the current developments in 3.1 posted as development build 
on the front page at about July 18th.

Thanks,
Jaap

[1] https://wiki.wireshark.org/Development/Roadmap 
<https://wiki.wireshark.org/Development/Roadmap>


> On 28 Jun 2019, at 15:35, Jason Cohen <kryojen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >> See the automated build section, dev builds for Windows and OSX: 
> >> https://www.wireshark.org/download/automated/ 
> >> <https://www.wireshark.org/download/automated/>.
> 
> >> These builds are produced when a merge is made to the appropriate master 
> >> branch.
> 
> The point wasn't for me.  ;) it was for the thousands+ of users that depend 
> on wireshark to decode captures that will never see a line of source code or 
> a build bot in their life, let alone know to find build bot artifacts, or 
> that such a thing exists.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 7:55 AM Graham Bloice <graham.blo...@trihedral.com 
> <mailto:graham.blo...@trihedral.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 13:49, Jason Cohen <kryojen...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:kryojen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> All fair points.  I won't push any further.
> 
> >> My pulled from the air guess is the set of users that need these 
> >> incremental dissector\protocol changes is much smaller than the entire set 
> >> of users, and their needs are served by the development branch.
> 
> Yes, the set of users is much smaller than the entire set of users, but not 
> insignificant.  However, the primary path they follow for support of the 
> F5ethtrailer dissector is F5, not Wireshark.org.
> 
> And development branch?  By this are you meaning to pull from source and 
> build?  This definitely seems to be a smaller sub-set of users.  The website 
> doesn't make it appear that there is even a development branch to be had.  
> The downloads area states:
> 
> The current stable release of Wireshark is 3.0.2. It supersedes all previous 
> releases. You can also download the latest development release (3.0.0rc2) 
> [which was built 22 Feb, 2019 if you go searching for it] and documentation.
> 
> If there was actually a development release to be had that was accessible to 
> the non-compiling public it may be less of a pain point.
> 
> 
> See the automated build section, dev builds for Windows and OSX: 
> https://www.wireshark.org/download/automated/ 
> <https://www.wireshark.org/download/automated/>.
> 
> These builds are produced when a merge is made to the appropriate master 
> branch.
>  
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 4:21 AM Graham Bloice <graham.blo...@trihedral.com 
> <mailto:graham.blo...@trihedral.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 06:50, Pascal Quantin <pas...@wireshark.org 
> <mailto:pas...@wireshark.org>> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Le ven. 28 juin 2019 à 06:06, Anders Broman <a.broma...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:a.broma...@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> 
> 
> Den fre 28 juni 2019 00:44Jason Cohen <kryojen...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:kryojen...@gmail.com>> skrev:
> The question about about weather or not adding dissection of additional 
> information in a dissector is an enhancement or a bug; I think this is kind 
> of a grey area.  If a dissector doesn't completely dissect a header, would a 
> patch that completes it be considered fixing it?  Does it switch between a 
> fix and enhancement if the reason the field is missing is either a wrong 
> offset, or a missing proto_tree_add_item statement?
> 
> How about handling vendor specific decodes?  Particularly where the vendor 
> formerly provided a plugin (under an open source license) and kept it up to 
> date as formats and data changed.  When Wireshark.org opted to pull a version 
> of it into libwireshark (which is a good idea) negatively impacts the release 
> of updates.  Wireshark is not beholden to a vendors release cycle and a 
> vendor isn't beholden to Wiresharks.  But when they do not coincide, 
> functionality that would readily be available is now blocked and delayed.  
> Furthermore, with the inclusion of the now incomplete dissector it makes it 
> unmanageable to provide the full vendor functionality as a plugin.
> 
> I think there should be some level of flexibility to the inclusion of 
> dissector updates under these circumstances.
> 
> As a specific example I am referring to:
> https://bugs.wireshark.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15876 
> <https://bugs.wireshark.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=15876>
> 
> Jason
> 
> It's a slippery slope either way. One can also argue that using the 
> development version is a possibility. At one point Ubuntu was not taking our 
> minor versions but rader did their own with security fixes only. So there's 
> different views on the subject.
> 
>  I'm not opposed to make an exception in this case however as the change is 
> small. What does other people think?
> 
> Personally I consider adding new fields / new versions of a protocol as being 
> an enhancement (that's what I do for the dissectors I maintain). If we do an 
> exception here, how will we handle the next request and justify if we refuse 
> the backport? We might open a can of worms here.
> The development builds are most of the time stable enough for a day to day 
> use.
> 
> Just my 2 cents,
> Pascal.
> 
> I think the aim of the policy is to keep the "stable" release as stable as 
> possible, we all know that collateral damage from making a change is possible 
> and the policy aims to reduce this.  I have quibbled in the past with changes 
> being back-ported that seem to me to be enhancements for this reason.
> 
> My pulled from the air guess is the set of users that need these incremental 
> dissector\protocol changes is much smaller than the entire set of users, and 
> their needs are served by the development branch.
> 
> As noted by Pascal, the development branch is (usually) quite stable and it's 
> been my daily driver for a number of years.
> 
> -- 
> Graham Bloice
> 
> -- 
> Graham Bloice
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