I wrote thatI had read several blog posts over the years and cited one of them as Vagmi and couldn't recall who the others were. I didn't say any of them were from you. In fact, I recall you writing a post about why WiX uses Major Upgrades and I referred to that as vindication; evidence that we have shared beliefs.
BTW, I could ask you the same question considering your still unapologetic personal attack on me several years ago. I still believe that if we ever met in real life we'd hit it really well. I for one sure wish you could spend some time in Austin seeing the work I've done combining WiX with InstallShield. Christopher Painter, Author of Deployment Engineering Blog Have a hot tip, know a secret or read a really good thread that deserves attention? E-Mail Me ----- Original Message ---- From: Rob Mensching <r...@robmensching.com> To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. <wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net> Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 10:10:42 PM Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Does the msi-filename matter? I think you have me confused with someone else. I've always had the stance: "If you can use a Major Upgrade do so. Life is too short to deal with the difficulties otherwise." What else have you told people I believe? <smile/> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Christopher Painter < chr...@deploymentengineering.com> wrote: > Rob- I seem to recall several blog articles years ago talking about > how major > upgrades are "ugly". One was from an active blogger at the time ( Vagmi > ) but > I don't remember the others. > > http://geekswithblogs.net/Vagmi.Mudumbai/archive/2006/06/11/81426.aspx > > Blair- My MSI mojo is good, but what development throws over the wall to > me > frequently will not end well with anything other then a major upgrade with > respect to msi servicing patterns and rules. I'm sure you've seen that > also. > > Chris > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Rob Mensching <r...@robmensching.com> > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > <wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 9:33:40 PM > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Does the msi-filename matter? > > Uhh, I personally always recommend Major Upgrades over all the other > options. IMHO, the other options (minor updates and small updates) add pain > that is rarely worth it (i.e. you have to be really big with lots of > customers to bother with .msp's). > > I'd be curious to see who actually recommends anything but Major Upgrades > for the general case. > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Christopher Painter < > chr...@deploymentengineering.com> wrote: > > > Same here. I've heard people post for years about how Major Upgrades are > a > > pain > > and you better follow the component rules to a letter if you want minor > > upgrades, small updates and patching to work. I've choosen to only > > support > > Major Upgrades and it's a bit of a vindication to now see the likes of > Rob > > talk > > about why WiX's own installer only does Major Upgrades. > > > > Christopher Painter, Author of Deployment Engineering Blog > > Have a hot tip, know a secret or read a really good thread that deserves > > attention? E-Mail Me > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Neil Sleightholm <n...@x2systems.com> > > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > > <wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 5:58:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Does the msi-filename matter? > > > > But a key point is that this is only a possible** problem for minor > > upgrades. If > > you do major upgrades you can ignore it. > > > > **I say possible because I have never seen an issue but I mainly stick to > > major > > upgrade because they are less hassle. > > > > Neil > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Blair [mailto:os...@live.com] > > Sent: 21 July 2010 23:12 > > To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Does the msi-filename matter? > > > > That could help reduce the chance of that problem, but depending on which > > file the user changes (the initial or the update) you may not get a > chance > > to warn the user to not rename the MSI. > > > > In most of the failure cases I have seen due to not finding the MSI file > at > > the indicated directory caused by looking for a different name than > > expected > > (usually due to attempting a minor upgrade using an MSI downloaded using > > IE) > > Windows Installer never even starts parsing any sequence table. > > > > This is part of the reason huge numbers of software producers > distributing > > over the internet use self-extract-and-launch-style wrappers (zip-exe > > style) > > for their MSI distribution. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christopher Painter [mailto:chr...@deploymentengineering.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:51 PM > > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Does the msi-filename matter? > > > > It is true that changing the MSI file name forces a major upgrade. If > you > > are > > concerned that your user will interfere with your servicing strategy by > > renaming > > the MSI, you can use the OriginalDatabase property in a LaunchCondition > to > > abort > > the install if they have renamed the MSI. I would suggest something like > > > > > > [OriginalDatabase] >> \MYSUPPORTEDFILENAME.msi > > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa370562(VS.85).aspx > > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa368012(VS.85).aspx > > > > Christopher Painter, Author of Deployment Engineering Blog > > Have a hot tip, know a secret or read a really good thread that deserves > > attention? E-Mail Me > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Lukas Haase <lukasha...@gmx.at> > > To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 4:42:20 PM > > Subject: [WiX-users] Does the msi-filename matter? > > > > Hi, > > > > Does the filename of the msi file matter in any way? > > > > I really DO NOT hope so! Because I have no influence if the user renames > > the file before installing?! > > > > [1] says: "There are cases when the Windows Installer forces you to use > > a major upgrade [...] You have to when you change the name of the .msi > > file for any reason. [...]" > > > > Regards, > > Luke > > > > > > > > > > [1] http://www.tramontana.co.hu/wix/lesson4.php#4.1 > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > > _______________________________________________ > > WiX-users mailing list > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > > _______________________________________________ > > WiX-users mailing list > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > > _______________________________________________ > > WiX-users mailing list > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > > _______________________________________________ > > WiX-users mailing list > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > > _______________________________________________ > > WiX-users mailing list > > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > -- > virtually, Rob Mensching - http://RobMensching.com LLC > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > _______________________________________________ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint > What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? > Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first > _______________________________________________ > WiX-users mailing list > WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users > > -- virtually, Rob Mensching - http://RobMensching.com LLC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? 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