Alain, One thing you have to remember, this is a FREE product. It is not a full time job for the "main" developers, they do this on their spare time and other developers add stuff on their spare time as well.
Burn/Boostrapper was added in 3.6 (or was it 3.5) as add on tool for WIX and is an awesome tool. Sure it has some pros and cons, but once again it is a FREE tool. I have done some work on my own by using Neil Sleighthom's WixExtendedBA tool (which I hear has been incorporated into 3.8) I did this to make it a little more useful for me. https://wixextba.codeplex.com/ Yes it took me a little while to grasp what the Extended BA is doing... Steve -----Original Message----- From: Alain Forget [mailto:afor...@cmu.edu] Sent: September-18-13 4:02 PM To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be UI-less? Which I think reinforces my point. It's not clear to me why it needs to take lots of time and effort just to suppress a UI, or make minor changes to an existing UI. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 15:58 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be UI-less? It's not trivial to create a custom BA. It takes time and effort. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Alain Forget <afor...@cmu.edu> wrote: > I don't mean compile and setup time. I mean time and effort for > someone completely unfamiliar with the WiX source and whatever may be > involved in rolling a custom bootstrapper (like myself and most other > people on here who ask how to do what doesn't seem like a complex request). > > Sure, for you and other WiX pros working on it for years, building the > code and rolling your own custom BA is trivial. But for the rest of us > non-WiX devs, especially those of us relatively new to it, it's far > from trivial, and it seems like a lot (read: too much) to learn and > figure out just a little UI change, like removing the UI, or adding a > field, checkbox, label, or window/wizard step. > > My point is that you might want to consider making WiX-built installers' > UIs easier for developers to customise without having to crack open > and customise the source code (which I can only imagine can create > problems when trying to keep up with updates to the main code). > > Alain > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 15:42 > To: afor...@cmu.edu; General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be UI-less? > > On my 5 year old machine it takes 5 minutes to build all of the WiX > toolset source. That isn't *that* long is it? Seems like a reasonable > amount of time to build a project of our size. There is documentation > in the WiX.chm with instructions how to build. > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Alain Forget <afor...@cmu.edu> wrote: > > > Is there a tutorial somewhere on where to get the stock BA's > source, and how to make various changes to it? The only tutorial I > found involved cracking open Visual Studio, and seemed to involve > recompiling the whole source and...yeah, a big hurdle to jump. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nicolás Alvarez [mailto:nicolas.alva...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 15:25 > To: afor...@cmu.edu; General discussion for Windows Installer > XML toolset. > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be > UI-less? > > The stock BA is open source. You don't need to start from scratch, > just modify the stock one. > > -- > Nicolás > > 2013/9/18 Alain Forget <afor...@cmu.edu>: > > It just seems like going from the stock BA to rolling your > own custom BA just to either get rid of the UI or add a single text > box, radio button, or window/step seems extremely costly in time and > effort for what seems like a minor modification. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hoover, Jacob [mailto:jacob.hoo...@greenheck.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:40 > > To: afor...@cmu.edu; General discussion for Windows > Installer XML toolset. > > Subject: RE: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it > be UI-less? > > > > I believe the mantra is don't use installer UI's, use a BA UI. > As such, if you need a custom UI then generate a BA to give the look > and feel that you want. The reasoning behind having a BA UI is so you > can have a single unified installation experience. Having a chain of 5 > MSI's all exposing their own UI's would result in a choppy and subpar user > experience. > > > > That being said, WiX is open source, so anyone is free to > contribute enhancements. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alain Forget [mailto:afor...@cmu.edu] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:31 AM > > To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it > be UI-less? > > > > There seems to be a lot of demand for more control over > installer and bootstrapper UIs. Just out of curiosity, is this being > worked on for future WiX releases? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:27 > > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > > Subject: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be > UI-less? > > > > Yes. You'd need to create a custom BA. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:27 AM, nkshirsagar < > nkshirsa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi Rob and others on the mailing list! > >> > >> I'm wondering the same thing. I have a minimal UI msi that I've > >> customised slightly with logos and banners. I want this UI > to run > >> immediately instead of the first screen that the > botstrapper UI shows. > >> (licence agreement, etc). > >> The licence agreement gets shown twice as that screen is > already in my > >> MSI UI. All I need the bootstrapper for, is to install .net > 4.5 if its > >> not already present and then kick off my msi. > >> > >> Is there any way to achieve this ? > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > LIMITED TIME SALE - Full Year of Microsoft Training For Just > $49.99! > 1,500+ hours of tutorials including VisualStudio 2012, Windows > 8, SharePoint > 2013, SQL 2012, MVC 4, more. 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