Wow. My sincere apologies, Rob. I was just adding food for thought. I think the easier WiX can be for everyone to accomplish their goals, the more people will use it, and contribute to it, making it even better. I wasn't at all trying to say that WiX is bunk because it doesn't do this one thing...far from it.
-----Original Message----- From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 16:33 To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be UI-less? I disagree. What it says that you think one or more people need to volunteer to add even *more* functionality to what has been provided by volunteers up to this point. Let me suggest that telling the people that have spent significant amount of effort getting the WiX toolset to this point that the work they have done isn't good enough while at the same time suggesting that adding more functionality should be trivial so those same volunteers should just do it is not a great way to encourage those volunteers to help you out. Alain, we've had this exact same conversation in the past. Last time I let it all slide as a learning opportunity. This time, this thread just makes me mad. I encourage you to go understand the problem and volunteer some time to improve the WiX toolset yourself before suggesting that I help you again. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Alain Forget <afor...@cmu.edu> wrote: > Which I think reinforces my point. It's not clear to me why it needs to > take lots of time and effort just to suppress a UI, or make minor changes > to an existing UI. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 15:58 > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be UI-less? > > It's not trivial to create a custom BA. It takes time and effort. > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Alain Forget <afor...@cmu.edu> wrote: > > > I don't mean compile and setup time. I mean time and effort for someone > > completely unfamiliar with the WiX source and whatever may be involved in > > rolling a custom bootstrapper (like myself and most other people on here > > who ask how to do what doesn't seem like a complex request). > > > > Sure, for you and other WiX pros working on it for years, building the > > code and rolling your own custom BA is trivial. But for the rest of us > > non-WiX devs, especially those of us relatively new to it, it's far from > > trivial, and it seems like a lot (read: too much) to learn and figure out > > just a little UI change, like removing the UI, or adding a field, > checkbox, > > label, or window/wizard step. > > > > My point is that you might want to consider making WiX-built installers' > > UIs easier for developers to customise without having to crack open and > > customise the source code (which I can only imagine can create problems > > when trying to keep up with updates to the main code). > > > > Alain > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 15:42 > > To: afor...@cmu.edu; General discussion for Windows Installer XML > toolset. > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be UI-less? > > > > On my 5 year old machine it takes 5 minutes to build all of the WiX > > toolset source. That isn't *that* long is it? Seems like a reasonable > > amount of time to build a project of our size. There is documentation in > > the WiX.chm with instructions how to build. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Alain Forget <afor...@cmu.edu> wrote: > > > > > > Is there a tutorial somewhere on where to get the stock BA's > > source, and how to make various changes to it? The only tutorial I found > > involved cracking open Visual Studio, and seemed to involve recompiling > the > > whole source and...yeah, a big hurdle to jump. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nicolás Alvarez [mailto:nicolas.alva...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 15:25 > > To: afor...@cmu.edu; General discussion for Windows Installer > XML > > toolset. > > > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be > > UI-less? > > > > The stock BA is open source. You don't need to start from > scratch, > > just modify the stock one. > > > > -- > > Nicolás > > > > 2013/9/18 Alain Forget <afor...@cmu.edu>: > > > It just seems like going from the stock BA to rolling your own > > custom BA just to either get rid of the UI or add a single text box, > radio > > button, or window/step seems extremely costly in time and effort for what > > seems like a minor modification. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Hoover, Jacob [mailto:jacob.hoo...@greenheck.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:40 > > > To: afor...@cmu.edu; General discussion for Windows Installer > > XML toolset. > > > Subject: RE: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be > > UI-less? > > > > > > I believe the mantra is don't use installer UI's, use a BA > UI. > > As such, if you need a custom UI then generate a BA to give the look and > > feel that you want. The reasoning behind having a BA UI is so you can > have > > a single unified installation experience. Having a chain of 5 MSI's all > > exposing their own UI's would result in a choppy and subpar user > experience. > > > > > > That being said, WiX is open source, so anyone is free to > > contribute enhancements. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Alain Forget [mailto:afor...@cmu.edu] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:31 AM > > > To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.' > > > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be > > UI-less? > > > > > > There seems to be a lot of demand for more control over > > installer and bootstrapper UIs. Just out of curiosity, is this being > worked > > on for future WiX releases? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:r...@robmensching.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:27 > > > To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. > > > Subject: [WiX-users] [SPAM] Re: Bootstrapper -- Can it be > > UI-less? > > > > > > Yes. You'd need to create a custom BA. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:27 AM, nkshirsagar < > > nkshirsa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Rob and others on the mailing list! > > >> > > >> I'm wondering the same thing. I have a minimal UI msi that > I've > > >> customised slightly with logos and banners. I want this UI to > > run > > >> immediately instead of the first screen that the botstrapper > UI > > shows. > > >> (licence agreement, etc). > > >> The licence agreement gets shown twice as that screen is > > already in my > > >> MSI UI. 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