Hi John, I understand your frustrations. Let me respond to a few things you said.
>Forgive my frustration, but after a couple of months with this Discussion List I've formed the opinion no browser >will display web standards - every one of them requires hacks of some kind. This is true of non-standard complaint pages as well. Considering that table layouts are 'hacks' by nature, it's even more true. I know that a CSS-based layout is the light at the end of the tunnel, but consider that it's still acceptable in many circles to use a table for overall layout purposes (a header, two columns, and a footer, e.g.), use CSS for everything else, and still validate as XHTML Transitional. That's what XHTML Transitional is all about - moving from the old way to the new. I'm at work, so I can't dive into your code and see what specifically is going on, but my initial impression is that you could streamline your CSS by using some ID's and fewer classes. This might be a first step in gaining better control over your positioning. Will Chatham ***************************************************** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *****************************************************