On 21/08/05, Joshua Street <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do we love to use pixels for font sizing because it has any intrinsic
> advantage, or simply because we'd rather be designing for print?
<...>

Print? Is print in pixels? Never heard that. 
My screen is measured in pixels, I view the web on my screen...

And there was a time when pixels were the only good choice:
http://old.alistapart.com/stories/fear4/
Ok, that was long time ago.

> Are these the same designers that don't embrace fluid layouts? (I'm not
> saying that because fluid layouts are intrinsically better, just that
> it's a good thing to have an open mind towards)
<...>

If anything is better than fixed layout it is elastic layout: that
means line length
defined in em's.
How good layout is for reading does not depend on open-mindness of the designer,
it depends on physiology of our sight, and alas tall and narrow is
better than wiiiide
and shallow.

> And, if you don't mean a whole-site zoom like Opera uses, but rather
> just a text-resizing feature (ala Firefox, et al.), then it's really
> worth asking why on earth you were using pixels in the first place,

Why not? In terms of CSS pixels are relative units, just like em and ex.

I'd like to quote Joe Clark presentation at @media 2005:

"Today, I want everyone in the room to take a vow never to say
anything like that ever again. Do not tell people, or tell yourself,
or even think that there's something inherently wrong with pixel-based
fonts. What there's something inherently wrong with is Internet
Explorer for Windows" (
http://www.joeclark.org/atmedia/atmedia-NOTES-2.html )

<...>
> you know that you're ultimately relinquishing control, and all you're
> really doing is irritating your users by not respecting their text-size
> defaults.

So this means we shouldn't touch font-size at all. In theory.
In practice that just means users are not aware of any text-size defaults.

Regards,
Rimantas
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http://rimantas.com/
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