If you need yet another reason to discourage auto-play audio, here's one. I present on a community radio station, and we use sound output from an Internet-connected computer for our sponsorship announcements and station IDs. The audio from websites which begin playing automatically will go to air. This is an absolute pain in the backside, so I simply can't (and won't) go to such sites while on air.
Richard Scherer Canberra, Australia -----Original Message----- From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:w...@webstandardsgroup.org] Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2010 11:39 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: WSG Digest ********************************************************************* WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST ********************************************************************* From: James Ellis <james.el...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:10:45 +1100 Subject: Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages Hi Give them all the background information that people have listed here. WCAG, usability info etc. If they still decide they want it, do as the client instructs. Make sure you code in a simple off switch configuration option into the site and when they want to change it, turn it off while counting to 10 backwards. Sometimes clients are like that episode of the Simpsons when Bart repeatedly burns his hand on the stove. You could also try doing an A/B test and provide some results to them for sound / no sound -- traffic, clicks, time on site etc. see: http://www.usertesting.com/. Cheers James On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Andrew Cunningham <andr...@vicnet.net.au>wrote: > HI > > On 28/02/2010 6:18 PM, Brett Goulder wrote: > > I would just point your client to some usability articles and > > educate them why background music is very bad. > > > > although I tend to hate background music, even when it was in vogue > way back when .... > > There are valid accessibility reason for playing sound files on page load. > > On one project i'm starting work on we are working with what UNESCO > tends to refer to as a lesser used language on the internet. > > A lot of information needs to presented, but we also need to take into > account mother language literacy levels, which are quite low in the > target communities. So need to for usability and accessibility reasons > to look at non-textual alternatives to textual material. > > So options to enable the playing of audio on page load is quite useful. > > Doesn't get around that problem of site navigation, maybe sound > snippets and icons may help, but rendering complex semantics into > small icons can be difficult if not impossible. > > This project has definitely shown me how much the web is mired in a > literate model, and am stuggling with how to adapt to a model based on > orality rather than literacy. > > > > My 2 cents would be to just not do it. > > for music I'd agree, for other purposes .... > > > http://completeusability.com/regrettable-background-music/ > > > > > > > > Bruce P wrote: > >> Smalllll player and an off button one can find immediately is a > >> prerequisite :) > >> > >> Bruce > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Lutomski" > >> <ubu...@webaflame.co.uk> > >> To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:50 AM > >> Subject: [WSG] Background music on web pages > >> > >> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> I apologise if this is off-topic, but I'd really appreciate some > advice. > >>> > >>> I have clients who insist they want background music on their Web > >>> site. I've tried to dissuade them, but without success. What is > >>> the most acceptable/least intrusive method of doing this? UK > >>> licensing requirements differ depending on whether the music is > >>> downloadable or not, so I need to sort out the method in order to > >>> advise them on the licences. I'm still hoping the complexities of > >>> the licensing system will succeed where I've failed and put them > >>> off the whole notion, but in case not, I'd be most grateful for some input here. > >>> > >>> Thank you. > >>> > >>> Lesley > >>> > >>> > >>> ****************************************************************** > >>> * List Guidelines: > >>> http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > >>> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > >>> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > >>> ****************************************************************** > >>> * > >> > >> > >> > >> ******************************************************************* > >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > >> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > >> ******************************************************************* > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > > ******************************************************************* > > > > -- > Andrew Cunningham > Senior Project Manager, Research and Development Vicnet State Library > of Victoria > 328 Swanston Street > Melbourne VIC 3000 > > Ph: +61-3-8664-7430 > Fax: +61-3-9639-2175 > > Email: andr...@vicnet.net.au > Alt email: lang.supp...@gmail.com > > http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/<http://home.vicnet.net.au/%7Eandre > wc/> > http://www.openroad.net.au > http://www.vicnet.net.au > http://www.slv.vic.gov.au > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* > ********************************************************************* From: nedlud <ned...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 13:34:28 +1100 Subject: Re: [WSG] Background music on web pages Regardless of how you implement this, I'd advise running away once the money clears. Also make sure they pay *lots* for maintenance on the site. Don't get caught out when they get told by somebody else that their site sucks because it's got music in it. I also wouldn't put such a job in my portfolio, nor put my name on the site in any visible way. You have *your* reputation to consider. In fact, unless you really need this job, I'd seriously consider walking away. A client that dictates their terms like this is typically far more trouble than they are worth, in my experience. Good luck, L. On 1 March 2010 13:10, James Ellis <james.el...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > Give them all the background information that people have listed here. > WCAG, usability info etc. If they still decide they want it, do as the > client instructs. Make sure you code in a simple off switch > configuration option into the site and when they want to change it, > turn it off while counting to 10 backwards. > Sometimes clients are like that episode of the Simpsons when Bart > repeatedly burns his hand on the stove. > > You could also try doing an A/B test and provide some results to them > for sound / no sound -- traffic, clicks, time on site etc. see: > http://www.usertesting.com/. > > Cheers > James > > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Andrew Cunningham <andr...@vicnet.net.au>wrote: > >> HI >> >> On 28/02/2010 6:18 PM, Brett Goulder wrote: >> > I would just point your client to some usability articles and >> > educate them why background music is very bad. >> > >> >> although I tend to hate background music, even when it was in vogue >> way back when .... >> >> There are valid accessibility reason for playing sound files on page load. >> >> On one project i'm starting work on we are working with what UNESCO >> tends to refer to as a lesser used language on the internet. >> >> A lot of information needs to presented, but we also need to take >> into account mother language literacy levels, which are quite low in >> the target communities. So need to for usability and accessibility >> reasons to look at non-textual alternatives to textual material. >> >> So options to enable the playing of audio on page load is quite useful. >> >> Doesn't get around that problem of site navigation, maybe sound >> snippets and icons may help, but rendering complex semantics into >> small icons can be difficult if not impossible. >> >> This project has definitely shown me how much the web is mired in a >> literate model, and am stuggling with how to adapt to a model based >> on orality rather than literacy. >> >> >> > My 2 cents would be to just not do it. >> >> for music I'd agree, for other purposes .... >> >> > http://completeusability.com/regrettable-background-music/ >> > >> > >> > >> > Bruce P wrote: >> >> Smalllll player and an off button one can find immediately is a >> >> prerequisite :) >> >> >> >> Bruce >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Lutomski" >> >> <ubu...@webaflame.co.uk> >> >> To: <wsg@webstandardsgroup.org> >> >> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:50 AM >> >> Subject: [WSG] Background music on web pages >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi all, >> >>> >> >>> I apologise if this is off-topic, but I'd really appreciate some >> advice. >> >>> >> >>> I have clients who insist they want background music on their Web >> >>> site. I've tried to dissuade them, but without success. What is >> >>> the most acceptable/least intrusive method of doing this? UK >> >>> licensing requirements differ depending on whether the music is >> >>> downloadable or not, so I need to sort out the method in order to >> >>> advise them on the licences. I'm still hoping the complexities of >> >>> the licensing system will succeed where I've failed and put them >> >>> off the whole notion, but in case not, I'd be most grateful for some input here. >> >>> >> >>> Thank you. >> >>> >> >>> Lesley >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ***************************************************************** >> >>> ** List Guidelines: >> >>> http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> >>> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> >>> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >> >>> ***************************************************************** >> >>> ** >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ****************************************************************** >> >> * List Guidelines: >> >> http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> >> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >> >> ****************************************************************** >> >> * >> > >> > >> > ******************************************************************* >> > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >> > ******************************************************************* >> > >> >> -- >> Andrew Cunningham >> Senior Project Manager, Research and Development Vicnet State Library >> of Victoria >> 328 Swanston Street >> Melbourne VIC 3000 >> >> Ph: +61-3-8664-7430 >> Fax: +61-3-9639-2175 >> >> Email: andr...@vicnet.net.au >> Alt email: lang.supp...@gmail.com >> >> http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/<http://home.vicnet.net.au/%7Eandr >> ewc/> >> http://www.openroad.net.au >> http://www.vicnet.net.au >> http://www.slv.vic.gov.au >> >> >> ******************************************************************* >> List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm >> Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org >> ******************************************************************* >> > > > ******************************************************************* > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org > ******************************************************************* ********************************************************************* From: Oliver Boermans <boerm...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:48:22 +1030 Subject: Re: [WSG] Standards based Drupal WYSIWYG Editor On 01/03/2010, at 8:44 AM, Sam Dwyer <dwyer....@abc.net.au> wrote: > Hope some of that helps. > > (Hi to the mailing list by the way, this is my first post since I > joined, look forward to engaging with you all) Thanks Sam and welcome, great to get your perspective on TinyMCE, if you ever do dig into extending CKEditor please let us know if it lives up to your first impressions. I'd be delighted to go down the WYSIWYM path if only to force those contributing content to think about the structure of it. Although it seems that knowledge of HTML is a prerequisite for the appreciation of markdown and the like. Ollie @ollicle ************************************************************** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ************************************************************** ******************************************************************* List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *******************************************************************
