How about in HTML5?
<section>
<header>Some Title</header>
<ul>
<li>Item 1</li>
<li>Item 2</li>
<li>Item 3</li>
</ul>
</section>
OR:
<section>
<h?>Some Title</h?>
<ul>
<li>Item 1</li>
<li>Item 2</li>
<li>Item 3</li>
</ul>
</section>
-Dan
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On
Behalf Of Mathew Robertson
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 5:22 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] list heading - best practice?
For this example:
<h1>some title</h1>
<ul>
<li>blah</li>
<li>boo</li>
</ul>
... any ARIA attributes are completely not required... <h?> tag, by
definition, already titles the following content, simply by being in the
same proximity, aka <h?> preceding some other content.
The primary purpose of "labelled-by" appears to be to semantically link an
given element to another; since proximity already gives you that
behaviour, this use-case for this attribute would be when proximity isn't
available, for example, say when something within a footer which
references content from within the body.
Aside... I never understood why "labelled-by" came into existence... there
is already an attribute "for" which has essentially the same semantics...
just promote "for" to be a global attribute. Thoughts?
Mathew Robertson
On 5 March 2012 20:51, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.st...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, agree with Russ here,
for example does
<ul title="list_title">
change the semantics? I think not, use of aria-labelledby is another way
of doing the same thing.
note in practice for the majority case neither is announced by user agents
such as assitive technology at the moment.
Also if it was then you would get a situation where if the user was
reading through the content they would hear the heading announced then
here the same text announced when they encountered the list straight
after.
regards
stevef
On 4 March 2012 21:46, Russ Weakley <r...@maxdesign.com.au> wrote:
> <h1 id="list_title">The list title<h1>
> <ul aria-labelledby="list_title">
> <li>...</li>
> </ul>
> That way the semantic connection between the list and the heading is
kept which I think is the purpose of what you're wanting, yes?
> Cheers,
> S
>
I hate to nit-pick, but I'd argue that the aria-labelledby does not really
change the semantics of an element. The "semantics" of an element is about
defining the element's "core meaning". The core meaning of an <h1> is that
it is a level 1 heading.
In the case above, the labelledby attribute "exposes" the content inside
the heading (via the accessibility API) and associating this content with
the unordered list.
So, these elements will now have additional meaning for Assistive Devices
that support ARIA. However, the attribute does not change the "core
meaning" of either of the elements.
Does this make sense?
Russ
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