Hi all,

Once again regarding my question about EU / AS Turkey: My commit only
changes the displayed country name. Theoretically, the distinction
between continents etc. should therefore remain unaffected. I have just
looked up how LotW and QRZ.com do it. There is also only one entry
there, namely "Turkey". So this should not be wrong if this is also the
case with WSJT-X in the future. If someone wants to differentiate
between the two, all they have to do is activate the "Include extra WAE
entites" checkbox. And why should this be treated differently for AF
Italy than for EU Turkey?

How do you see it?

73 de Uwe, DG2YCB


Am 08.12.2023 um 18:50 schrieb Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel:
This may all be correct, but at least to me, the decisive factor is
what the DXCC rules are. And according to the DXCC list
<https://www.arrl.org/files/file/DXCC/2022_DXCC_Current.pdf> available
to me, there is only one "Turkey", namely DXCC No. 390.

TA-TC* Turkey EU/AS 39 20 390

73 de DG2YCB,
Uwe
________________________________________
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Dr. Uwe Risse
eMail: dg2...@gmx.de
Info: www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB


Am 08.12.2023 um 18:22 schrieb robert evans LAST_NAME via wsjt-devel:
East Thrace or Eastern Thrace, also known as Turkish Thrace or
European Turkey, is the part of Turkey that is geographically a part
of Southeast Europe. It accounts for 3.03% of Turkey's land area and
15% of its population. The largest city is Istanbul, which straddles
the Bosporus between Europe and Asia.
Asiatic Turkey is east of the Bosporus.
The Bosporus is where the Aegean and Mediterranean Seas broke through
and flooded the Black Sea.
I spent some time in Karamursel, Sinop, and Incirlik which are in
Asiatic Turkey.
Karamursel had a elephant cage AN/FLR-9 until they bombed
Cyprus and they closed this base when USA came out against it.
Sinop is a spit of land that sticks out in the Black Sea and was a NATO
listening post just south of Crimea and might still be.
Incirlik is still a very busy base down near the Mediterranean Sea.
Merhaba Arkadaslar. Nasiliniz?
On 12/08/2023 11:38 AM EST Uwe, DG2YCB via wsjt-devel
<wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
Hi Jim and all,

I have analyzed our WSJT-X code regarding this aspect. Results:
There seems to be nowhere specified which countries the WAE entities
shall be assigned to when the "Include extra WAE entites" checkbox
is *not* checked, neither in the CTY.DAT file nor in WSJT-X. This
means, if these entities are not queried, "" appears as a country
name. Quite logical in my eyes.

Therefore, I reprogrammed it in a way, that the WAE entities are now
always queried but that these special country names are replaced by
the correct DXCCs later in case the "Include extra WAE entites"
checkbox is not checked.

The first tests look already promising. (My setup: Two instances
connected via virtual audio, meaning that nothing goes over HF, and
I can simulate almost each QSO situation.)



By the way, what is with "European Turkey"? Must both "Asiatic
Turkey" and "European Turkey" then be displayed as "Turkey" if the
"Include extra WAE entites" checkbox is not checked?

Did I forget anything else?

73 de DG2YCB,
Uwe
________________________________________
German Amateur Radio Station DG2YCB
Dr. Uwe Risse
eMail: dg2...@gmx.de
Info: www.qrz.com/db/DG2YCB


Am 07.12.2023 um 02:50 schrieb Jim Reisert AD1C via wsjt-devel:
This message is rather long, but I want to address this issue so it
can be fixed before WSJT-X 2.7 is released.  Also note that this
message contains a lot of formatting.  If it doesn't pass through
the mailing list correctly, please contact me and I can send you
the original copy.
I recently received this message:

On Tue, Nov 28, 2023 at 9:03 AM Dave Garber ve3wej
<ve3...@gmail.com> wrote:

    I am getting 4u1a on ft4 today, and wsjt-x is showing it as
    Italy.  I have downloaded the updated cty-3388 file, and put
    the cty.dat file ( which does show Austria , not Italy.  and
    put it the the save folder of each of my wsjt versions..   am I
    in the wrong folder, because it still shows Italy still

Ron Whitsel, W3RJW also wrote me:

    4U1A comes up as 'Italy' in WSJT-X Band Activity window.....   
    Should be Austria

He later wrote:

    OK I fixed it:

    Added:

    Removed 4U from Italy

    Now 4U1A comes up as Austria in WSJT-X.

After some back-and-forth with Brett VR2BG today, I think I might
understand the problem.  I believe that WSJT-X is either parsing or
using the country file incorrectly.
First some background:
The CQWW DX contest uses two different country lists.  It uses the
ARRL DXCC lists, plus five (5) entities which are multipliers for
the WAEDC contest, plus one other:
https://www.darc.de/der-club/referate/conteste/wae-dx-contest/en/wae-rules/

Look at the bottom of that page for "WAE Country List".  It lists
these additional European entities:

  * 4U1V (Vienna Int'l Center)
  * GM/s (Shetland & Faire Islands)
  * IT (without IG9/IH9 Zone 33) (Sicily)
  * JW/b (Bear Island)
  * TA1 (European part of Turkey)

Now IG9/IH9 are special.  Normally they would be included as part
of Sicily, but they are in Africa, not Europe.  Therefore they are
counted as a separate multiplier in CQWW DX (but not in WAEDC)
There is another point to take into account.  A "prefix" in the
country file can be either a prefix or a full callsign.  Full
callsigns are prefixed with '='. You will see some examples in the
next part. *Matching a full callsign should always have priority
over matching a prefix (partial callsign). *
One last point is that the "prefix" at the end of the line in the
country file that contains the entity name is for display purposes
only.  It should never be included in the list of prefixes for the
given entity.
Now let's focus specifically on the country file.  I have
highlighted some prefixes/callsigns.
Here is the 4U1/v entity as shown in the country file:
Vienna Intl Ctr:          15:  28:  EU:   48.20:   -16.30:  -1.0:
 *4U1V:
    =4U0R,=4U100QO,=4U1A,=4U1VIC,=4U2U,=4Y1A,=C7A;
Here is the Italy entity as shown in the country file:
Italy:              15:  28:  EU:   42.82:   -12.58:    -1.0:  I:
4U,I,=I2DMK/RM,=IT9ELM/0,=IT9PQJ/0;
Here is the Austria entity as shown in the country file;
Austria:              15:  28:  EU:   47.33:   -13.33:    -1.0:  OE:
    OE,=4U0R,=4U100QO,=4U1A,=4U1VIC,=4U2U,=4Y1A,=C7A;
You should notice a few things:

 1. The "prefix" at the end of the line beginning with "Vienna Intl
    Ctr" has a '*' in front of it.  That means that this entity is
    only used in the CQWW DX and WAEDC contests.  It is not a DXCC
    entity.
 2. 4U1A (full callsign) is listed twice, once under "Vienna Intl
    Ctr" and once under "Austria"
 3. 4U is listed as a prefix for Italy.

Regarding #3, this was done so that "new" (previously unknown) 4U
callsigns that are spotted on the DX cluster will propagate through
the network.  If that prefix mapping were not there, those calls
would be ignored because they could not be associated with any
entity in the country file.  Tis was done at the request of Lee
VE7CC.  4U has been used numerous times from Italy.  4U24OCT is a
recent example.  The QTH is the Global Service Centre ARC in
Brindisi, Italy, normally 4U1GSC.  4U could have just as easily
been listed as a prefix for Austria, but I chose Italy based on
past experience.
Regarding #2, 4U1A is listed twice.  There is a good reason for
this.  If the software is ignoring the WAEDC entities, and 4U1A is
decoded or spotted, it would be determined to be Italy because of
the 4U prefix mapping.
Based on the reports I'm getting, I think that WSJT-X processes the
country file like this:

 1. It sees 4U1A listed as "Vienna Intl Ctr" and maps the callsign
    to that entity.  But that entity is a WAEDC entity.
 2. It sees 4U1A listed *again* under Austria.  Because the call
    has already been seen and mapped to 4U1/v, the second
    occurrence is ignored.
 3. 4U1A is decoded by the software.  It matches "Vienna Intl Ctr"
    but because that is not a DXCC entity, it is ignored.
 4. The only other option at this point is the 4U prefix under
    Italy, so that is where the software determines 4U1A to be.

I believe the WSJT-X software *should* be doing this, assuming it's
only interested in identifying DXCC entities.

 1. It sees the Vienna Intl Ctr entity with the *4U1V prefix in the
    country file.  It should just skip this entity entirely.
 2. It sees the 4U prefix under Italy, so adds a prefix mapping.
 3. It sees 4U1A listed under Austria, so it adds a callsign mapping.
 4. When 4U1A is decoded, there is a full callsign match for
    Austria, so the software determines that is the DXCC entity.

An important point to make is that processing the country file from
top to bottom should result in the *same* prefix and country
mappings as processing it from bottom to top, at least as far as
mapping DXCC entities is concerned.  If you need to also take WAEDC
entities into account, then keep the first occurrence of a
callsign, and ignore any subsequent ones.  It just works out that
way.  One could also parse from bottom to top, and if a WAEDC
prefix or callsign appears again, then it replaces the existing one.
Does this make sense? I'm happy to answer any questions, either
off- or on-reflector.  Obviously I do not know how WSJT-X parses
the country file, but I can only make assumptions based on what I
have been told by two different users.
73 - Jim AD1C
--
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