I did a “which xterm” in the terminal app and it returned /opt/X11/bin/xterm. When I launch an xterm from terminal.app and then do “which xterm” in the xterm window, I get the same answer. Both apps are able to successfully launch an xterm.
I also followed your advice about using "xterm -display `launchctl getenv DISPLAY`” to see what happens and the answer is not much. It produces an xterm like normal with no errors or other messages appearing. In comparing my laptop, where it works like normal, and my desktop, where it doesn’t, I do see one difference. Not sure if it matters. On my laptop, when I launch a new xterm, it brings up this message: The default interactive shell is now zsh. To update your account to use zsh, please run `chsh -s /bin/zsh`. For more details, please visit https://support.apple.com/kb/HT208050. bash-3.2$ I do not see this on my desktop where the trouble is occurring. There, I just get the linux prompt. When I do “echo $0” on my laptop, the xterm window shows bash. But the xterm window on my desktop shows zsh. I’m not familiar with zsh, is it possible there’s a init file for zsh that could be the source of the problem? On Jun 18, 2025, at 8:36 PM, [email protected] wrote: Send X11-users mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/x11-users__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!V9V604OVjnQMiuYjz9MHTYoJzif-1Wecy3hrJ2pvMikNvsA8b_Kt0UZwQN5F-5fS4AZbN7hv4VSDniKwetduKR2dgs6VzMcYMIo$ or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of X11-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: xterm fails (Ren? J.V. Bertin) 2. Re: X11-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 9 (David L Chopp) 3. Re: xterm fails (Paul Gilmartin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 21:58:35 +0200 From: Ren? J.V. Bertin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: xterm fails Message-ID: <8011779.FQhnAq9gjR@bola> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On Wednesday June 18 2025 13:43:53 Tom Lane wrote: $ echo $DISPLAY /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.m048HRnCwY/org.xquartz:0 I *think* that a DISPLAY variable of that type should be visible via `launchctl export` (or `launchctl getenv DISPLAY`). If so, the most informative thing to do would be to - launch XQuartz - open a Terminal.app window - in there, set DISPLAY as it should and launch xterm. Or use `xterm -display `launchctl getenv DISPLAY``. This is the only way to catch any error output from xterm (or the libraries it uses) itself. (I hate those stupid DISPLAY values; I can't remember how I managed but mine is a simple ":0.0" on my local host, and I can connect remotely to it remembering only the ZeroConf hostname. Yeah, I know, ssh tunneling and all that, but why bother on your own LAN.) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 21:08:51 +0000 From: David L Chopp <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: X11-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 9 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" In my case, from a terminal app, echo $DISPLAY gives /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.UgncRwaiWo/org.xquartz:0 I get the same thing from within an xterm app. Also, if create an xterm from terminal, that will bring up XQuartz as the app in the menu, and it does show terminal as an option under the Applications menu, but the command-N is grayed out (though the menu item ?Terminal? is not grayed out). Incidentally, for the person that said the menu option is no longer there, there?s also a ?Customize? menu option under Applications. If you open that up, it lets you add X-window commands to the menu. In my case, it shows Terminal/xterm/n. To test it out, I added Clock/xclock/ and I could launch the clock from the menu. Sadly, removing the xterm option and then adding it back in didn?t solve the problem. On Jun 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, [email protected] wrote: Send X11-users mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/x11-users__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!V9tAQH823MJvpIBI6gZgjoJPC13WPCpPPzhGYlN6mfUi6ITuzbDIt3DeJjv1rc9KWzyAddsNuRFXSMC0iE1wvZJkNmL62dSXS30$ or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of X11-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: X11-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8 (David L Chopp) 2. Re: xterm fails (Paul Gilmartin) 3. Re: xterm fails (Tom Lane) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 14:48:51 +0000 From: David L Chopp <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: X11-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" All good questions. From the terminal app, I can run xlogo, xterm, xclock successfully. One thing I do notice is that from the XQuartz menu if I try to create a new xterm, it seems like it tries to create a new window, but it?s immediately gone again. It?s only a flicker, so hard to say if that?s true. From the xterm window I can also create a new xterm. 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Re: xterm fails (Paul Gilmartin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 14:53:36 +0000 From: David L Chopp <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: xterm fails Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I?ve run into an issue with Xquartz. After a recent reboot I can no longer get a terminal window to appear using XQuartz. The X windows seems to be working, I can use the terminal app and remote log in to a linux machine and pop up a local window, but I just can?t bring up a terminal locally. It?s not horrible, I can use the terminal app instead locally, just wondering if there?s any other nasty surprises in store for me. I should mention, this is on a Mac Mini M1 running OSX 15.5. I also have a MacBook Pro running the same OS and XQuartz works normally there, so I don?t think it?s related to the OS version. Thanks for any ideas? 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It?s not horrible, I can use the terminal app instead locally, just wondering if there?s any other nasty surprises in store for me. I should mention, this is on a Mac Mini M1 running OSX 15.5. I also have a MacBook Pro running the same OS and XQuartz works normally there, so I don?t think it?s related to the OS version. Thanks for any ideas? ... On both wystems: o What terminal client? xterm? o What does "type xterm" show? o Same for other clients: xlogo, xclock, ... o do they work? 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From the xterm window I can also create a new xterm. On macOS 15.5 (24F74); XQuartz 2.8.5 (xorg-server 21.1.6) I see no Terminal option in the XQuartz menubar pulldown. I installed from the website, not with a package manager. Is $DISPLAY propagated? Are permissions set in ~/.ssh? On 6/17/25 08:53, David L Chopp via X11-users wrote: I?ve run into an issue with Xquartz. After a recent reboot I can no longer get a terminal window to appear using XQuartz. The X windows seems to be working, I can use the terminal app and remote log in to a linux machine and pop up a local window, but I just can?t bring up a terminal locally. It?s not horrible, I can use the terminal app instead locally, just wondering if there?s any other nasty surprises in store for me. I should mention, this is on a Mac Mini M1 running OSX 15.5. I also have a MacBook Pro running the same OS and XQuartz works normally there, so I don?t think it?s related to the OS version. Thanks for any ideas? ... On both wystems: o What terminal client? xterm? o What does "type xterm" show? o Same for other clients: xlogo, xclock, ... o do they work? (For me, on one MBP, Xquartz works on two accounts, but crashes on a third. -- gil ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 13:43:53 -0400 From: Tom Lane <[email protected]> To: Paul Gilmartin via X11-users <[email protected]> Subject: Re: xterm fails Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Paul Gilmartin via X11-users <[email protected]> writes: On macOS 15.5 (24F74); XQuartz 2.8.5 (xorg-server 21.1.6) I see no Terminal option in the XQuartz menubar pulldown. I assume the OP is talking about launching Apple's Terminal app from the Finder. Is $DISPLAY propagated? Yeah, that is a good question. On my working setup, I see $ echo $DISPLAY /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.m048HRnCwY/org.xquartz:0 in either Terminal or an xterm window. (The random-number part of that no doubt changes when Xquartz is relaunched.) I'd suggest verifying that you see something similar, and that your directory path and pipe file are readable by whichever user you're running as. Another thing to check is whether xterm (which is in /opt/X11/bin/ if you installed Xquartz normally) is in your $PATH. A plausible theory perhaps is that /opt/X11/bin is in $PATH in Terminal but not so in the environment Xquartz is running in. Or maybe you've got a different set of X11 binaries courtesy of MacPorts or Homebrew, and they aren't talking to Xquartz for some reason. Are permissions set in ~/.ssh? 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It?s not horrible, I can use the terminal app instead locally, just wondering if there?s any other nasty surprises in store for me. I should mention, this is on a Mac Mini M1 running OSX 15.5. I also have a MacBook Pro running the same OS and XQuartz works normally there, so I don?t think it?s related to the OS version. Thanks for any ideas? ... Launching XQuartz from Dock: xterm is a tracked alias for /opt/X11/bin/xterm Launching xterm from Terminal.app: xterm is a tracked alias for /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm Apparently in the former case XQuartz sets $PATH; in the latter case, $PATH is inherited from Terminal's shell. -- gil ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ X11-users mailing list [email protected] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/x11-users__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!V9V604OVjnQMiuYjz9MHTYoJzif-1Wecy3hrJ2pvMikNvsA8b_Kt0UZwQN5F-5fS4AZbN7hv4VSDniKwetduKR2dgs6VzMcYMIo$ ------------------------------ End of X11-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10 ***************************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ God does not care about our mathematical difficulties; He integrates empirically. ~Albert Einstein ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Chopp Engineering Sciences and Applied Mathematics Northwestern University E-mail: [email protected] Phone: (847)-491-8391 Fax: (847)-491-2178 Homepage: http://people.esam.northwestern.edu/chopp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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