For anyone you may see this thread later, I removed .Xauthority, .Xdefaults, and .Xresources and it resolved the problem. Upon further experimentation, I had a line in .Xresources that was "Xterm*locale: true”. Commenting out that line restored normal function. I’ve had that line in there for a long time so I don’t recall why I put it in there in the first place. I suppose I’ll find out eventually….
> On Jun 19, 2025, at 10:28 AM, David L Chopp <[email protected]> wrote: > > I did a “which xterm” in the terminal app and it returned /opt/X11/bin/xterm. > When I launch an xterm from terminal.app and then do “which xterm” in the > xterm window, I get the same answer. Both apps are able to successfully > launch an xterm. > > I also followed your advice about using "xterm -display `launchctl getenv > DISPLAY`” to see what happens and the answer is not much. It produces an > xterm like normal with no errors or other messages appearing. > > In comparing my laptop, where it works like normal, and my desktop, where it > doesn’t, I do see one difference. Not sure if it matters. On my laptop, when > I launch a new xterm, it brings up this message: > > The default interactive shell is now zsh. > To update your account to use zsh, please run `chsh -s /bin/zsh`. > For more details, please visit https://support.apple.com/kb/HT208050. > bash-3.2$ > > I do not see this on my desktop where the trouble is occurring. There, I just > get the linux prompt. When I do “echo $0” on my laptop, the xterm window > shows bash. But the xterm window on my desktop shows zsh. I’m not familiar > with zsh, is it possible there’s a init file for zsh that could be the source > of the problem? > >> On Jun 18, 2025, at 8:36 PM, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Send X11-users mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/x11-users__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!V9V604OVjnQMiuYjz9MHTYoJzif-1Wecy3hrJ2pvMikNvsA8b_Kt0UZwQN5F-5fS4AZbN7hv4VSDniKwetduKR2dgs6VzMcYMIo$ >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of X11-users digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: xterm fails (Ren? J.V. Bertin) >> 2. Re: X11-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 9 (David L Chopp) >> 3. Re: xterm fails (Paul Gilmartin) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 21:58:35 +0200 >> From: Ren? J.V. Bertin <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: xterm fails >> Message-ID: <8011779.FQhnAq9gjR@bola> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> On Wednesday June 18 2025 13:43:53 Tom Lane wrote: >> >>> $ echo $DISPLAY >>> /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.m048HRnCwY/org.xquartz:0 >> >> I *think* that a DISPLAY variable of that type should be visible via >> `launchctl export` (or `launchctl getenv DISPLAY`). >> >> If so, the most informative thing to do would be to >> >> - launch XQuartz >> - open a Terminal.app window >> - in there, set DISPLAY as it should and launch xterm. Or use `xterm >> -display `launchctl getenv DISPLAY``. >> >> >> This is the only way to catch any error output from xterm (or the libraries >> it uses) itself. >> >> (I hate those stupid DISPLAY values; I can't remember how I managed but mine >> is a simple ":0.0" on my local host, and I can connect remotely to it >> remembering only the ZeroConf hostname. Yeah, I know, ssh tunneling and all >> that, but why bother on your own LAN.) >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 21:08:51 +0000 >> From: David L Chopp <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: X11-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 9 >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> In my case, from a terminal app, echo $DISPLAY gives >> >> /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.UgncRwaiWo/org.xquartz:0 >> >> I get the same thing from within an xterm app. Also, if create an xterm from >> terminal, that will bring up XQuartz as the app in the menu, and it does >> show terminal as an option under the Applications menu, but the command-N is >> grayed out (though the menu item ?Terminal? is not grayed out). >> Incidentally, for the person that said the menu option is no longer there, >> there?s also a ?Customize? menu option under Applications. If you open that >> up, it lets you add X-window commands to the menu. In my case, it shows >> Terminal/xterm/n. To test it out, I added Clock/xclock/ and I could launch >> the clock from the menu. Sadly, removing the xterm option and then adding it >> back in didn?t solve the problem. >> >>> On Jun 18, 2025, at 2:00?PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> Send X11-users mailing list submissions to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/x11-users__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!V9tAQH823MJvpIBI6gZgjoJPC13WPCpPPzhGYlN6mfUi6ITuzbDIt3DeJjv1rc9KWzyAddsNuRFXSMC0iE1wvZJkNmL62dSXS30$ >>> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> [email protected] >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of X11-users digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: X11-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8 (David L Chopp) >>> 2. Re: xterm fails (Paul Gilmartin) >>> 3. Re: xterm fails (Tom Lane) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 14:48:51 +0000 >>> From: David L Chopp <[email protected]> >>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: X11-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8 >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> All good questions. From the terminal app, I can run xlogo, xterm, xclock >>> successfully. One thing I do notice is that from the XQuartz menu if I try >>> to create a new xterm, it seems like it tries to create a new window, but >>> it?s immediately gone again. It?s only a flicker, so hard to say if that?s >>> true. From the xterm window I can also create a new xterm. >>> >>>> On Jun 17, 2025, at 2:00?PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> Send X11-users mailing list submissions to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/x11-users__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!R3PT3lbfoFWIqUVpfRAirSPiZ6FlgPfGewTb2UY7lOXIacuE6Xdyg31I8tgiu4Z8DmK2B1mQDIYl3tq1krq4GQBABAQCRR9K9JU$ >>>> >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of X11-users digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. xterm fails (David L Chopp) >>>> 2. Re: xterm fails (Paul Gilmartin) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 14:53:36 +0000 >>>> From: David L Chopp <[email protected]> >>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: xterm fails >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> I?ve run into an issue with Xquartz. After a recent reboot I can no longer >>>> get a terminal window to appear using XQuartz. The X windows seems to be >>>> working, I can use the terminal app and remote log in to a linux machine >>>> and pop up a local window, but I just can?t bring up a terminal locally. >>>> It?s not horrible, I can use the terminal app instead locally, just >>>> wondering if there?s any other nasty surprises in store for me. I should >>>> mention, this is on a Mac Mini M1 running OSX 15.5. I also have a MacBook >>>> Pro running the same OS and XQuartz works normally there, so I don?t think >>>> it?s related to the OS version. Thanks for any ideas? >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things >>>> ~Henri Poincare >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> David Chopp >>>> Engineering Sciences and Applied Mathematics >>>> Northwestern University >>>> E-mail: [email protected] >>>> Phone: (847)-491-8391 >>>> Fax: (847)-491-2178 >>>> Homepage: http://people.esam.northwestern.edu/chopp >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: >>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/archives/x11-users/attachments/20250617/b2963dcf/attachment-0001.htm__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!R3PT3lbfoFWIqUVpfRAirSPiZ6FlgPfGewTb2UY7lOXIacuE6Xdyg31I8tgiu4Z8DmK2B1mQDIYl3tq1krq4GQBABAQCRwJAfBM$ >>>> > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: smime.p7s >>>> Type: application/pkcs7-signature >>>> Size: 1659 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: >>>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/archives/x11-users/attachments/20250617/b2963dcf/attachment-0001.bin__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!R3PT3lbfoFWIqUVpfRAirSPiZ6FlgPfGewTb2UY7lOXIacuE6Xdyg31I8tgiu4Z8DmK2B1mQDIYl3tq1krq4GQBABAQCRvmrsw4$ >>>> > >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 09:50:51 -0600 >>>> From: Paul Gilmartin <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: xterm fails >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >>>> >>>> On 6/17/25 08:53, David L Chopp via X11-users wrote: >>>>> I?ve run into an issue with Xquartz. After a recent reboot I can no >>>>> longer get a terminal window to appear using XQuartz. The X windows seems >>>>> to be working, I can use the terminal app and remote log in to a linux >>>>> machine and pop up a local window, but I just can?t bring up a terminal >>>>> locally. It?s not horrible, I can use the terminal app instead locally, >>>>> just wondering if there?s any other nasty surprises in store for me. I >>>>> should mention, this is on a Mac Mini M1 running OSX 15.5. I also have a >>>>> MacBook Pro running the same OS and XQuartz works normally there, so I >>>>> don?t think it?s related to the OS version. Thanks for any ideas? >>>>> ... >>>> On both wystems: >>>> o What terminal client? xterm? >>>> o What does "type xterm" show? >>>> o Same for other clients: xlogo, xclock, ... >>>> o do they work? >>>> >>>> (For me, on one MBP, Xquartz works on two accounts, but crashes on a third. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> gil >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Subject: Digest Footer >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> X11-users mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/x11-users__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!R3PT3lbfoFWIqUVpfRAirSPiZ6FlgPfGewTb2UY7lOXIacuE6Xdyg31I8tgiu4Z8DmK2B1mQDIYl3tq1krq4GQBABAQCRR9K9JU$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> End of X11-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 8 >>>> **************************************** >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> I used to love mathematics for its own sake, and I still do, because it >>> allows >>> for no hypocrisy and no vagueness.... ~Stendhal >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> David Chopp >>> Engineering Sciences and Applied Mathematics >>> Northwestern University >>> E-mail: [email protected] >>> Phone: (847)-491-8391 >>> Fax: (847)-491-2178 >>> Homepage: http://people.esam.northwestern.edu/chopp >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/archives/x11-users/attachments/20250618/a7e09aab/attachment-0001.htm__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!V9tAQH823MJvpIBI6gZgjoJPC13WPCpPPzhGYlN6mfUi6ITuzbDIt3DeJjv1rc9KWzyAddsNuRFXSMC0iE1wvZJkNmL69Novaps$ >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: smime.p7s >>> Type: application/pkcs7-signature >>> Size: 1659 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: >>> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/archives/x11-users/attachments/20250618/a7e09aab/attachment-0001.bin__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!V9tAQH823MJvpIBI6gZgjoJPC13WPCpPPzhGYlN6mfUi6ITuzbDIt3DeJjv1rc9KWzyAddsNuRFXSMC0iE1wvZJkNmL6FTpzpG8$ >>> > >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 11:19:59 -0600 >>> From: Paul Gilmartin <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: xterm fails >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >>> >>> On 6/18/25 08:48, David L Chopp via X11-users wrote: >>>> All good questions. From the terminal app, I can run xlogo, xterm, xclock >>>> successfully. One thing I do notice is that from the XQuartz menu if I try >>>> to create a new xterm, it seems like it tries to create a new window, but >>>> it?s immediately gone again. It?s only a flicker, so hard to say if that?s >>>> true. From the xterm window I can also create a new xterm. >>>> >>> On macOS 15.5 (24F74); XQuartz 2.8.5 (xorg-server 21.1.6) >>> I see no Terminal option in the XQuartz menubar pulldown. >>> I installed from the website, not with a package manager. >>> Is $DISPLAY propagated? >>> Are permissions set in ~/.ssh? >>> >>>>> On 6/17/25 08:53, David L Chopp via X11-users wrote: >>>>>> I?ve run into an issue with Xquartz. After a recent reboot I can no >>>>>> longer get a terminal window to appear using XQuartz. The X windows >>>>>> seems to be working, I can use the terminal app and remote log in to a >>>>>> linux machine and pop up a local window, but I just can?t bring up a >>>>>> terminal locally. It?s not horrible, I can use the terminal app instead >>>>>> locally, just wondering if there?s any other nasty surprises in store >>>>>> for me. I should mention, this is on a Mac Mini M1 running OSX 15.5. I >>>>>> also have a MacBook Pro running the same OS and XQuartz works normally >>>>>> there, so I don?t think it?s related to the OS version. Thanks for any >>>>>> ideas? >>>>>> ... >>>>> On both wystems: >>>>> o What terminal client? xterm? >>>>> o What does "type xterm" show? >>>>> o Same for other clients: xlogo, xclock, ... >>>>> o do they work? >>>>> >>>>> (For me, on one MBP, Xquartz works on two accounts, but crashes on a >>>>> third. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> gil >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 13:43:53 -0400 >>> From: Tom Lane <[email protected]> >>> To: Paul Gilmartin via X11-users <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: xterm fails >>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Paul Gilmartin via X11-users <[email protected]> writes: >>>> On macOS 15.5 (24F74); XQuartz 2.8.5 (xorg-server 21.1.6) >>>> I see no Terminal option in the XQuartz menubar pulldown. >>> >>> I assume the OP is talking about launching Apple's Terminal app >>> from the Finder. >>> >>>> Is $DISPLAY propagated? >>> >>> Yeah, that is a good question. On my working setup, I see >>> >>> $ echo $DISPLAY >>> /private/tmp/com.apple.launchd.m048HRnCwY/org.xquartz:0 >>> >>> in either Terminal or an xterm window. (The random-number part >>> of that no doubt changes when Xquartz is relaunched.) I'd suggest >>> verifying that you see something similar, and that your directory path >>> and pipe file are readable by whichever user you're running as. >>> >>> Another thing to check is whether xterm (which is in /opt/X11/bin/ >>> if you installed Xquartz normally) is in your $PATH. A plausible >>> theory perhaps is that /opt/X11/bin is in $PATH in Terminal but not >>> so in the environment Xquartz is running in. Or maybe you've got >>> a different set of X11 binaries courtesy of MacPorts or Homebrew, >>> and they aren't talking to Xquartz for some reason. >>> >>>> Are permissions set in ~/.ssh? >>> >>> Hmm, I don't think ssh should be involved here ... but who knows. >>> >>> regards, tom lane >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> X11-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/x11-users__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!V9tAQH823MJvpIBI6gZgjoJPC13WPCpPPzhGYlN6mfUi6ITuzbDIt3DeJjv1rc9KWzyAddsNuRFXSMC0iE1wvZJkNmL62dSXS30$ >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of X11-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 9 >>> **************************************** >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Mathematical reasoning may be regarded rather schematically as the exercise >> of a combination of two facilities, which we may call intuition and >> ingenuity. >> ~Alan Turing >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> David Chopp >> Engineering Sciences and Applied Mathematics >> Northwestern University >> E-mail: [email protected] >> Phone: (847)-491-8391 >> Fax: (847)-491-2178 >> Homepage: http://people.esam.northwestern.edu/chopp >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/archives/x11-users/attachments/20250618/dce1c48d/attachment-0001.htm__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!V9V604OVjnQMiuYjz9MHTYoJzif-1Wecy3hrJ2pvMikNvsA8b_Kt0UZwQN5F-5fS4AZbN7hv4VSDniKwetduKR2dgs6Vgt91lKM$ >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: smime.p7s >> Type: application/pkcs7-signature >> Size: 1659 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/archives/x11-users/attachments/20250618/dce1c48d/attachment-0001.bin__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!V9V604OVjnQMiuYjz9MHTYoJzif-1Wecy3hrJ2pvMikNvsA8b_Kt0UZwQN5F-5fS4AZbN7hv4VSDniKwetduKR2dgs6V3lnf8rg$ >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 19:36:24 -0600 >> From: Paul Gilmartin <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: xterm fails >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> On 6/17/25 08:53, David L Chopp via X11-users wrote: >>> I?ve run into an issue with Xquartz. After a recent reboot I can no longer >>> get a terminal window to appear using XQuartz. The X windows seems to be >>> working, I can use the terminal app and remote log in to a linux machine >>> and pop up a local window, but I just can?t bring up a terminal locally. >>> It?s not horrible, I can use the terminal app instead locally, just >>> wondering if there?s any other nasty surprises in store for me. I should >>> mention, this is on a Mac Mini M1 running OSX 15.5. I also have a MacBook >>> Pro running the same OS and XQuartz works normally there, so I don?t think >>> it?s related to the OS version. Thanks for any ideas? >> ... >> >> Launching XQuartz from Dock: >> xterm is a tracked alias for /opt/X11/bin/xterm >> >> Launching xterm from Terminal.app: >> xterm is a tracked alias for /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm >> >> Apparently in the former case XQuartz sets $PATH; >> in the latter case, $PATH is inherited from Terminal's shell. >> >> -- >> gil >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> X11-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/x11-users__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!V9V604OVjnQMiuYjz9MHTYoJzif-1Wecy3hrJ2pvMikNvsA8b_Kt0UZwQN5F-5fS4AZbN7hv4VSDniKwetduKR2dgs6VzMcYMIo$ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of X11-users Digest, Vol 22, Issue 10 >> ***************************************** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > God does not care about our mathematical difficulties; He integrates > empirically. ~Albert Einstein > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > David Chopp > Engineering Sciences and Applied Mathematics > Northwestern University > E-mail: [email protected] > Phone: (847)-491-8391 > Fax: (847)-491-2178 > Homepage: http://people.esam.northwestern.edu/chopp > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nature laughs at the difficulties of integration. ~Pierre-Simon de Leplace ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Chopp Engineering Sciences and Applied Mathematics Northwestern University E-mail: [email protected] Phone: (847)-491-8391 Fax: (847)-491-2178 Homepage: http://people.esam.northwestern.edu/chopp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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