Le Samedi, Octobre 31, 2020 17:48 CET, Philippe Gerum <[email protected]> a 
écrit:

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> François Legal <[email protected]> writes:
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> > Le Vendredi, Octobre 16, 2020 18:24 CEST, Philippe Gerum <[email protected]> 
> > a écrit:
> >
> >>
> >> François Legal <[email protected]> writes:
> >>
> >> > Le Vendredi, Octobre 16, 2020 14:03 CEST, Philippe Gerum 
> >> > <[email protected]> a écrit:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> François Legal <[email protected]> writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Le Vendredi, Octobre 16, 2020 10:59 CEST, Philippe Gerum 
> >> >> > <[email protected]> a écrit:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> François Legal <[email protected]> writes:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Le Mercredi, Octobre 14, 2020 16:16 CEST, Greg Gallagher 
> >> >> >> > <[email protected]> a écrit:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 5:37 AM Jan Kiszka 
> >> >> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > On 14.10.20 10:43, François Legal via Xenomai wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > Anybody can help on this ?
> >> >> >> >> > >
> >> > >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I'm unfortunately not familiar with the armv7 details of 
> >> >> >> >> > copy-from-user,
> >> >> >> >> > not too speak of how spectre contributed to it. Greg, Philippe, 
> >> >> >> >> > did you
> >> >> >> >> > come across this already?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Jan
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> I'll take a look tonight but I haven't hit this in my testing.  
> >> >> >> >> This
> >> >> >> >> was found on 4.4? Have you tried the 4.19 kernels?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> -Greg
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > So I tried the same case on 4.19.121, with the same result, and I 
> >> >> >> > guess for the same reason.
> >> >> >> > Could anybody explain why, on ARMv7, we need to copy the message 
> >> >> >> > header at the syscall entry, and not let the xxxmsg routine do it 
> >> >> >> > on its own ?
> >> >> >> > Also, I could not find how those COBALT_SYSCALL32emu logic work.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> There is no way an armv7 system would run the sys32emu code in
> >> >> >> Cobalt. This code path is specific to architectures which support 
> >> >> >> mixed
> >> >> >> ABI models. Only Cobalt/x86 supports this so far, issuing x86_32
> >> >> >> syscalls to an x86_64 kernel. You may want to check
> >> >> >> CONFIG_XENO_ARCH_SYS3264, it is set to "def_bool n" in the Kconfig
> >> >> >> stuff.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Maybe I don't use the right terms here, but what I can see from the 
> >> >> > code is (in linux tree kernel/xenomai/posix/syscall32.c)
> >> >> > COBALT_SYSCALL32emu(sendmsg, handover,
> >> >> >                   (int fd, struct compat_msghdr __user *umsg, int 
> >> >> > flags))
> >> >> > {
> >> >> >       struct user_msghdr m;
> >> >> >       int ret;
> >> >> >
> >> >> >       ret = sys32_get_msghdr(&m, umsg);
> >> >> >
> >> >> >       return ret ?: rtdm_fd_sendmsg(fd, &m, flags);
> >> >> > }
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And the problem regarding SPECTRE mitigation is with the "ret =
> >> >> > sys32_get_msghdr(&m, umsg);" line, as af_packet (in my case, but I
> >> >> > believe the other handlers should do the same) will also call
> >> >> > copy_from_user on the "msghdr" argument, and the SPECTRE mitigation
> >> >> > will check that this pointer is in the userland MM area.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is indeed a problem with this code passing the kernel memory
> >> >> address of a bounce buffer to RTDM handlers which would expect __user
> >> >> tagged memory instead. This ends up confusing any low-level
> >> >> copy_to/from_user routine which includes attack
> >> >> mitigation. rtnet_get_arg() does call such routine under the hood. This
> >> >> is something some Xenomai contributor may want to address.
> >> >>
> >> >> But, again, this sys32emu code cannot run for armv7 under the current
> >> >> stock implementation. So what we are discussing is purely hypothetical
> >> >> at this stage for this architecture, and should definitely never happen
> >> >> by construction if you are running armv7 (which does not make the
> >> >> original issue go away, that is granted).
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure I quite understand that point. The code reproduced above is 
> >> > well built in the kernel. Are you saying this code is not called 
> >> > whenever userland calls sendmsg on an rt socket ? Am I looking in the 
> >> > wrong direction ? In that case, where should I be looking ? I mean, I 
> >> > tracked the whole thing with a JTAG debugger, and it seemed to me that 
> >> > this was what was really happening, with the SPECTRE code setting the 
> >> > pointer to 0 which was later being caught by arm_copy_from_user.
> >> >
> >>
> >> How could syscall32.c and compat.c be built into the kernel with
> >> CONFIG_XENO_ARCH_SYS3264 forcibly unset in the Kconfig, which is always
> >> the case when building for anything else than x86?
> >>
> >> Checking kernel/cobalt/posix/Makefile may help in understanding why it
> >> is simply not possible. arm_copy_from_user is built in, no question,
> >> and your analysis regarding SVC context memory being spuriously fed into
> >> arm_copy_from_user is likely right.
> >>
> >> But the sys32 wrappers are neither for armv7, armv8 nor ppc32. So yes,
> >> you are certainly following the wrong path when looking at
> >> kernel/cobalt/posix/syscall32.c. This 32-to-64bit syscall support is NOT
> >> built into a kernel targeting armv7, at least when it comes to the
> >> vanilla Xenomai code.
> >>
> >> You may want to double-check which call site actually invokes
> >> arm_copy_from_user.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Philippe.
> >
> > Thanks Philippe for pointing me in the right direction.
> > So, if I'm correct this time, the problem is about the same, but in 
> > posix/io.c.
> > In
> >
> > COBALT_SYSCALL(sendmsg, handover,
> >            (int fd, struct user_msghdr __user *umsg, int flags))
> > {
> >     struct user_msghdr m;
> >     int ret;
> >
> >     ret = cobalt_copy_from_user(&m, umsg, sizeof(m));
> >
> >     return ret ?: rtdm_fd_sendmsg(fd, &m, flags);
> > }
> >
> > Same thing, the user_msghdr is allocated on the SVC stack, then copied from 
> > user, then handed over to the sendmsg handling function pertaining to that 
> > fd, and whenever that handling function call copy_from_user for the same 
> > user_msghdr pointer, it triggers the SPECTRE mitigation protection.
> >
> > What is still unclear to me is why this user_msghdr struct is copied here, 
> > and not left to the handling function, as in the sendmmsg syscalls, the 
> > struct mmsghdr is not copied from user in syscall entry.
> >
>
> Unlike sendmsg(), sendmmsg() has to deal with 32bit compat mode, so
> __rtdm_fd_sendmmsg() receives a couple of helpers along with the user
> pointer in order to do the right thing, depending on the 32/64 syscall
> entry. sendmsg() was implemented much earlier too, when SPECTRE
> mitigation was not there: passing SVC memory to copy_from/to_user
> services was still wrong, but went unnoticed.
>
> --
> Philippe.

 Alright, so shall I submit a patch removing those copy_from/to_user calls at 
system call entry in sendmsg and recvmsg ?
Is this the way to go ?

Thanks

François


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